Why do people hate blaster mains in hero modes?

@AnakinVader34 well .. yes & no.

Fallen Order has better detection namely because it has far fewer conditions to resolve at any one time than BF 2 does; Fallen Order isn’t a large scale multiplayer environment. There’s no net code in Fallen Order.

the combat mechanics are different in Fallen Order as well. One of the things I’ve been a bit critical on was their over-reliance on the parry mechanic. Battlefront 2 has no parry but in Fallen Order they made the combat revolve around that mechanic more than they needed to. 

Having parry is fine and if that’s a particular persons play style that’s great but they could have made the combat feel much more fluid by enabling players to strike from block in Fallen Order rather than forcing them to drop block to strike. It’s pretty clear that they didn’t do this because it would erode their idea of parry. In reality what it did was cause the combat to feel heavier than it needs to be. 

I played through Fallen Order on GM and truthfully i evaded FAR more than I ever chose to parry and found it to be more effective; especially since throughout most of the game you’re dealing with multiple enemies at once and in those scenarios parry isn’t the most effective strat. 

I, personally, wouldn’t develop a combat system that’s designed on boss fights and use that for a whole open world game but that’s me. I’d create a more flexible system. 

Fallen Order by design has an easier time processing because it’s less complex than BF 2. 

@VetteC5RXNot to mention that most of the special lightsaber (and force) skills in FO were rather useless and more than anything just opened a wide window for the opponent to sneak an attack in, all while every successful hit by an opponents meant that you got stunned/your animation cancelled.

I haven't played again since I finished the game shortly after launch and I know there were some updates, but this was what pissed me off the most about FO's combat mechanics.

Also these occasional stun locks where I died while still having 5 stimpacks left but no chance to use even one, god I hated this so much.

So most time through the game I just spent spamming the same special lightsaber attacks + parry + evade move pattern over and over again because most other stuff available to use was too likely to work against me and to result in a loss of HP and even more force energy while my tactis simply got the job done.

The worst scenario was the final fight because it was like forget everything you've learned previously as there was no way to wear Trilla's stamina down effectively.

Really, the lightsaber combat in BF II even feels better because you don't get stunned/interrupted by the softest standard attacks already and combat feels more dynamic overall with all movement required, even if that's largely attributed to the parry (and jump) exploit as well as dodging behind someone.

@TRlALON There isn’t actually a parry mechanic in BF 2 ... there is a counter strike but you can’t actually parry an opponent in BF 2.

I agree the combat in BF 2 is way smoother than FO. Truthfully if the Devs hadn’t fouled up the existing mechanics the way they did with TROS update we’d be far better. The game was in a better state before that update. 

Cal in FO just feels heavy and lunky in his overall movements and in combat that comes off feeling clumsy not smooth. I didn’t even bother trying to parry and I made out better. 

The update to FO was SUCH a let down. They added a “New +” game mode and a combat mode. ... now ... as an OG gamer I know what legacy “+” game modes are and this ISN’T it. In a “New Game +” the ONLY items you keep are ... appearance items!!! That’s right! After all that they Devs really thought there was replay value in starting over with nothing but some clothes! Yes, because a poncho creates a whole new gameplay experience?!? ... No, a proper New Game + sees your character starting new with EVERYTHING they collected from the previous play through! That’s the replay value! Experiencing the game with those abilities and unlocks from the go. ...

now I know some may be thinking .. “well that makes the game too easy” ... ok ... and? If someone thinks it’s too easy just don’t + game. 

as for the combat mode, again, they fall short. In this mode you can create custom battle scenarios against any opponent in a number of geographic environments. On the surface this sounds like a great idea ... and it would be ... if you weren’t limited to using ONLY the abilities you’ve unlocked in the gameplay up to that point. .... well that’s shenanigans; I can customize everything else about the battle scenario but I can’t customize my abilities? So this means that a fully kitted up Cal isn’t available for custom scenarios until near the end of the story by which point the battle scenario is nearly moot because you’ve fought them all anyway. 

... and on the subject of FO who’s idea was it for the collectible gems? I really hope the Devs read these threads because this is really for them .... news flash; NOBODY wants to back track for 10 minutes on Zeffo for a single silly bauble! Backtracking is a perfectly valid aspect to game design ... when done correctly. In the Metroid series, for example, you would backtrack through areas of the map multiple times but there was a gameplay advancing objective each time; not a trinket. ... Even worse if you are going to use back tracking make sure you open up shortcuts to bi-directional travel. FO has shortcuts that are one way only; meaning that if you do want to return to an area you’ll have to go the long way ... yeah, no thanks.

I’ve been gaming for 30 years, I’ve seen it all; literally. Ive offered to consult with EA on this franchise for free to help them get it right in terms of game logic. For the love of all things human I hope they learn for the next title. 

@AnakinVader34It would be a start if heroes actually had block animations upon blocking a lightsaber strike.

The defender's lightsaber being static all the time doesn't help to create a better choreography.

Overall I think the choreographies are fine, given that they were intended to simply highlight different styles of the characters.

The only one who hurts my eyes in HvH is Grievous, because even when not looking closely it just looks like he's about to passionately slay pillars or clone troopers who can't defend themselves from lightsaber strikes anyways. Means he doesn't need to circumvent any lightsaber block or back up for counterattacks. Looks great and brutal in Supremacy/GA, but really off in HvH.

Then again, the heroes were never made and balanced solely around HvH.

Let's not get started about how Grievous holds both lightsabers at head height to block but the only zone where he's never able to block blaster shots is... his head. #justbattlefrontthings

How far off-topic are we again? lol

@AnakinVader34They once had an event for that and it wasn't great for blasters. I just think that this isn't really balanced, especially after the Leia buff.

Pro stacks who use LS blasters just dominate everything really hard while it's not possible to do it the same way on DS. They rather stick to Vader, Palpatine and either Grievous, Kylo or maybe one or two actual blaster users then.

For me it's easier to deal with DS blasters because they have more situational restrictions you can counter while as the LS ones you can basically just run & gun at all ranges.