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JesuJuvaOU
5 years ago

Please fix Rotational Inertia! There is too much!

Here is the ONE biggest problem with this game: Too much rotational inertia! Yes, it's a physics problem. What it means is that Squadrons makes it impossible to do a hard turn, come out of that...
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BluesyMoo
5 years ago
@RivenAlreadyReg wrote:

So you basically want to make the already arcadey physics to be even more arcade? It's already on rails enough as it is. It would be super boring if you didn't have to wrestle the spacecraft at least a little bit. That's part of the fun. 

It would be the opposite. The game has its high rotational inertia because gamepads cannot do precision aiming. They can easily be centered (due to deadzone) or pushed to extremes (due to short travel), but holding a precise input is impossible. The high rotational inertia favors rapid, extreme inputs, which is most gamepad inputs. It therefore allows the imprecise gamepad to compete with the precise flight sticks.

The side effect is all precision aiming goes out of the window, so aim assist is needed.

The side effect is that, since there's aim assist, the smaller profiles of TIEs now give them no advantage whatever, and TIEs must now be made tanky because shots that would have missed them, will now hit.

All of this compromising for the gamepad has taken away a lot of the skills such as precision tracking shots (sluggish ship prevents it), and snap shot timing (aim assist corrects it).

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JesuJuvaOU
5 years ago
@BluesyMoo Well-said! I am afraid you are right. I had not quite made all those connections, because I am less familiar with console controllers. Yes, I also miss when your aim *had* to be more precise to hit, but the ship's maneuver *allowed* you to be that precise, at least some of the time. It allowed a culture of competition to be among the best at flying and shooting, and the players who loved those games generally eschewed the use of missiles and other complications. This is obviously a very different game than that. I don't need it to be exactly the same. I like the different maps, different loadouts, missile possibilities and other customizations. That's all great. I just want to be able to aim quickly and shoot quickly and have those skills *matter.*

I do think they could make at least some *modest* reductions to the angular momentum out of turns and not mess up the console players too much. It does affect them too. The drift continues well after the controller goes back to neutral. So that means it is a problem for console players as well as everyone else, right?

So while I see your points about how they chose to balance the game for consoles, I don't think fixing this issue would unbalance the game too much.
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    BluesyMoo
    5 years ago

    "your aim *had* to be more precise to hit, but the ship's maneuver *allowed* you to be that precise,"

    Indeed. So this means that the gunnery aspect of the skill ceiling has been lowered compared to classic games, because there are skills that have been removed. No one can acquire it, and no one can exercise it either.

    I still like the hardcore mode idea, because console players *can* go and acquire HOTASes and be free to exercise these leet gunner skills, as long as the game allowed these skills to exist. It's like GT Sports e-sports, where no one uses gamepads - steering wheels only!

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