Stances

Is there any word from EA/Respawn about the stances? As far as I've looked I haven't even really found any statements that confirm there're only two stances for balancing reasons. I know the bugs and performance issues have to take priority now and I want them to, I want everyone who wants to play the game and that's paid for the game to get to enjoy a smooth experience. But even with the game fully optimized, the stance limit just adds so many other issues to the game.

First of all, it's a hit to immersion to look at an all-in-one lightsaber hanging off Cal's belt the entire game, but having to go to a save point to treat it that way, and it feels especially frustrating when he switches stances in cutscenes, for finishing moves, to open crates, and ride chocobos, but you never get to use it that way.

Second is the time that it tacks onto the gameplay. Any time I'd like to experiment with a stance, get bored with a stance, or would just like to walk around with my blaster readied for story-telling, I can't do that without making additional trips to save points, and it doesn't matter that there are a lot of them, it's taking something you should logically be able to do on a whim and making your ability to act on it take several minutes.

And then there's the combat, as I've said, I can't find any official word that this was meant to balance the game, but even if there is, it doesn't seem to. The differences between what lightsaber you have in combat pale in comparison to how overpowered the Force makes you. Sure a double-bladed lightsaber is slightly more advantageous if you're surrounded or you come across a gatling trooper, but with the Force you can slam that entire group of enemies into the ground letting you freely attack them with whatever you have or pull a gatling trooper to you and open fire on the rest of the enemies. You can lift a hammer boss clear off the ground and fling him off of a cliff instead of fighting him for three to five minutes.

And that's not even getting into the step down in combat depth from the previous game. In Fallen Order, you could access all of your stances without a save point, albeit only two at the time, but you also had additional split-saber attacks, ironically giving Survivor less stance variation even with more stances. It also had combo pause variations and stance-switching attacks that allowed fluid transition to the other stance mid-combo. If you run the same single-blade+double-blade combo in Survivor, it's noticeably lacking from the first game, making it really feel like all of the additional stances were supposed to balance and complement each other with their specific trade-offs during combat and compensate for the removal of the other combat abilities.

Again, I know the performance issues are more pressing, but even in a perfect world where the game launched flawlessly or in a few months when they're all fixed, these problems would still persist. I'd just like some acknowledgment from development that they know it's a problem for a lot of us and make some kind of definitive statement on the state of stances so I know whether to keep holding out for an update or just bite the bullet and buy the game again on PC for the mod that adds it to the game, but I also really don't want to reward them twice over something they didn't bother to include. This really deflated my first playthrough of the game and I'm personally not interested in playing past the ending or starting a NG+ while the stances are still limited to two forcing all of these issues onto my experience with the game when I know it's capable of more.

Hiya, could we get an update to have Jedi Survivor include all stances during gameplay?

The two-stance limit makes everything feel really stale pretty quickly no matter which two you have. I know some people are concerned about balance, which I don't think is an actual problem, but perhaps the development team could make the stance limit dependent on difficulty or put a slider where you can choose your amount of stances in the accessibility options. Possibly introduce more stance slots as perks so it's a trade-off with other advantages that you could forgo in exchange for them. But again I don't believe the limit balances the game in any way and if people like the limitation, they could just personally choose to limit themselves.

It would really help replayability too, it was a pretty deflating experience to be stuck with two stances for the first run, and it eats up a lot of your time going to save points if you want to use them all. It would definitely be a smoother experience replaying the game if you don't have to do that just to have fun with the combat.

I would love to hear any updates at all about improvements to the stance system or at least some kind of definitive statement from EA/Respawn about them so we can at least know to stop asking.

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@Taiya_Dordalai've felt the opposite over my experience. honestly each time i got a new stance and was forced to put another away it felt like having to choose which limb leave behind and I'm already at the wall where running any pairing gets stale in like 5 minutes prompting another trip to the save point.
The 5 stances may be lacking individually, but they complement each other so well. Each one already has its own drawbacks that balance them out with the others, and you can only use one at time, so balance wouldn't be an issue either. Not sure what you mean about requiring slow mode to maintain the stances, there are plenty of games where you can switch to several weapons/stances/modes without the use of a slowdown, way harder games too.

You do not need to defend the two-stance limit. It mostly seems to only exist to avoid having to make a new stance-swapping method for a game whose control scheme originally only accounted for two and resetting those two at a save point was a quick workaround for the development team get it out the door, that is the only benefit it seems to have provided anyone. But the stance switching already exists in the debug menu from its testing phases, so this is a very patchable problem, all they need is a minimal UI adjustment to go along with the mapping, change the wording of some tutorial boxes, and smooth out any bugs it might cause from adding it. but even buggy, access to all the stances would improve the game across the board. we just have to stop arbitrarily defending the stance limit and acting like we need to wait for a third game to fix it. If people really like the limitation, they can limit themselves, and I would never say a word to convince them not to, but it's ruined the game for me and other people that just wanted an immersive all-in-one lightsaber simulator and I'd prefer to turn it off and finally play the game I thought I was buying. I think the rest of the game is a good sequel to the previous game, i just want a good sequel to the previous lightsaber too. and the old one didn't make me go to save point to use it how it would just logically work.

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I agree about the stances. It feels like they have been to busy making puzzles and mazes for the sake of challenge, instead of making the game overall smooth and just fun to play.

but aldo, the game is a sequel. So why has the protagonist lost all of the abilitys and tricks that he learnes in the first story? 

not to mention the stuff? In the first story your lightsaber brakes and you mend it by merging it with Cere’s saber and a new kyber-krystal with the volor of your own choosing. But at the time og Survivor. You apperantly gave Cere her hilt back and switched your own kyber-krystal with Jaro Tapal’s again? Seems just lazy

The could just make it so that (on console) the left button is for switching blade on and off, and right button is a weapon wheel, that slows time some while you are changing. And so the cinematic move comes when you let go of the buttan and you’ve made your choise.

cause i agree, it seems lazy from the developer standpoint. That you’re playing with this character who has a interchangable hilt, but not using it. You have the blaster on your leg at all times, but you can’t use it “cause you haven’t choose it”

And then there’s the “fun factor” to as you mention.

so at the very least the single blades option should just be a default and the 2 stances should be an addition to that. So no matter what to stances you choose, single bladed stances will still be an option