15 Zeros.

I know my score isn't going to be top of the table for a while but I can make the enrage timer now, so I do that and forget about for the rest of the day.

I use it as a gauge to see how my team(s) are coming along. That's why I keep stabbing at it.

Fortunately most of my guilds big hitters drop Nihilus within a week.or so, then it goes by fairly fast after that.

"Odin_Noah;c-1586207" wrote:
We are in the same boat as you VonZant. Apparently CG is worried about making changes to help a dozen people who no longer spend money because they have been given everhthing to stay on top. There is very little incentive to continue on. Im going to shake things up soon and see if they want to do a tier 6 to unlock heroic. Failing a heroic might motivate people to get better

I was thinking the same thing. Just wasn't sure i wanted to delicate the tickets to the cause.

I've just been ignoring the 0s and doing my insane damage. We have t4 down to almost 24 hours, but t5 took 6 days. I think fast clears give more incentive to help out, but our guild is casually hardcore so we aren't going to really kick the 0s, bit mayne guilt trip them into helping.

I’m going through the same thing with my guild. We have 15 or so people who are completely deflated by the raid. I plead with people if you hate the raid that much just put a team in and hit auto but it never happens.

I really hope they decrease the difficulty on T1-4.

That said, I'd either drop a tier or just start wasting tickets. If you're running STR every day people are going to get burned out. Plus, if you start wasting tickets, those zero posters may start participating because they know without participation they'll waste tickets / currency / rewards.

Or maybe you just ask for people to commit to using 1 team a day. Set the bar low so guild mates start engaging with it again. They may find they are having better success and come back to it on their own.

You're right though, it's a tough spot right now. Guilds are having trouble recruiting if they're not running Heroic because a lot of guild hoppers out there feel entitled. So kicking people just reduces tickets and may not be able to replace them with equal quality.

Yeah. Its Nihilus-itis. He is extremely annoying and people just dont like to fight him. Then they have to go through the pain again in p4. Hard, I get. Just flat-out so annoying that a large percentage of the guild doesnt even bother? That needs to be fixed. At least reduce his obscene HP pool. Its so big that we usually have to sped 5 teams x2 in P1 and 5 teams x2 in P4. Fighting the most annoying fight in the game 20 times in one raid is bad.

We could always break up the guild but encouraging people to do that is bad too. I dont want to leave my guild.

T3 isnt an answer. 5-10 of us can beat it in one day. That is bad going the other way.

When i was in a 90 million guild doing tier 5 i was a million gp total.

There was no phase that i couldnt pull 2% in 5 runs.

Ill be honest and say that i dont ahve much sympathy for the people that dont make an effort if a 1 million gp player can pull 2% in phase 1 in 5 runs what excuse does anyone have.

Put one to the sword and a thousand will follow.

Kick the weakest link and put the rest on notice. I've had to turn over a few non-contributors without going too crazy all at once.

Hopefully it all pays off and we can get through the HSTR in the next couple of weeks.

Yeah, dont want to kick people.

"VonZant;c-1586308" wrote:
Yeah. Its Nihilus-itis. He is extremely annoying and people just dont like to fight him. Then they have to go through the pain again in p4. Hard, I get. Just flat-out so annoying that a large percentage of the guild doesnt even bother? That needs to be fixed. At least reduce his obscene HP pool. Its so big that we usually have to sped 5 teams x2 in P1 and 5 teams x2 in P4. Fighting the most annoying fight in the game 20 times in one raid is bad.

Agreed. It should be fixed. However, we probably don't quite agree on which side it should be fixed. There are plenty of teams that work well in non—heroic phase 1:

Irresistable TM removal works ok (much better in phase 4, though). Try you Assaj lead NS and your zader teams. (However, DoTs don't stick).

Detonators work well. Read up on.'the big JC' team built around JE to place detonators, 3 assist—callers and TM—givers and JC as healer. Luminara leading the 4 remaining jawa (relying on scavenger to place detonators) also works quite well.

Magmatrooper machinegun teams do good damage. Kill adds, put deathmark on DN and let magmatrooper fire his rounds with huge TM gains from crits (and let Thrawn use his fracture with deathmark).

With those teams phase 1 will be over in no time.

Good luck and have fun fixing your teams :—)

"VonZant;d-173985" wrote:
So we are halfway through phase 3 and 15 people have not scored a point. We do tier 4. What do yall do to keep people going without having to kick out half of your guild? I know Nihilus is annoying but posting a zero for that long hurts everyone.

Whatever you do it should concure with the type of guild you aim to be and what the majority of the members expect it to be.

If your guild aims at progressing, then require your members to fight every phase of the raid. Share knowledge on which teams people should farm for each phase (see my post above regarding phase 1). And perhaps progress to tier 5 instead simply to send the message that this is where you want to progress to. If some people loose motivation then just let them go and recruit new players, who want the same as you and the rest of the members.