Bad Batch S1:E12 Chat (SPOILERS)

@Ultra

Cool. Relieved it was a misunderstanding. I completely get now how your post, if it had been the OP would have sounded completely different. Now I'm having a little laugh. Hope you have a good weekend.

Back to the topic:

So this has been a two episode excursion into the backstory of Hera (and thus Rebels), but I found thinking back on it that it made a lot of sense. Omega needed another child in the picture. It is the nature of adults that we don't take advice from children easily, and the nature of children to assume that adults know what they're doing (and isn't THAT a laugh). If we were going to get a situation where Omega "leads" the Bad Batch, she had to be in a situation where she believed someone needed her help. But she wouldn't easily assume that an adult needed her help. She might participate with the Bad Batch in helping adults, but she wouldn't take the lead.

So a child was necessary & Hera was the right age. They could have created a new child character, but as much as some have thought of this as an excursion away from BB, I think that if they created a new child it would have been just as big a distraction.

I'm down with this episode (and the last one), & interested to see how the Howzer situation plays out.

A good episode and it brings the Bad Batch more into joining the rebels.

The Empire, though, just were not acting in their best interest in these two episodes. They really needed to play the slow game in Ryloth and not immediately start alienating the populace.

In reference to why Crosshairs isn’t resisting like the other clones, remember that he initially did and the empire had his chip cranked up to 11. You can’t really compare his behavior to anyone else’s.

"Ltswb1;c-2277941" wrote:
In reference to why Crosshairs isn’t resisting like the other clones, remember that he initially did and the empire had his chip cranked up to 11. You can’t really compare his behavior to anyone else’s.

It does seem that the clones are gaining the ability to resist the chips’ effects, Crosshair’s chip will probably take more time to wear off.

My theory is the Empire will use the bad batch to clone their stormtroopers but since Crosshair is not part of the squad, that will create stormtroopers who doesnt know how to aim and have terrible accuracy

"vincentlondon;c-2277986" wrote:
My theory is the Empire will use the bad batch to clone their stormtroopers but since Crosshair is not part of the squad, that will create stormtroopers who doesnt know how to aim and have terrible accuracy

The stormtroopers were recruits, not clones (most of them, at least).

I agree that Order 66 was specifically for the Jedi, but I think that we should remember that this is an "inhibitor chip" not an "Order 66 chip".

Some aspects of their personality still remain, but not ALL aspects of their personality. It's more complicated than that.

I feel like the difference in how clones are acting is based on how they are seeing the new empire.

If they see it as a continuation of the republic, then "good soldiers follow orders".

Howser, and a bunch of the clones with him, might be interpreting their loyalty to the republic as loyalty to the ideals and protection of its citizens. They can't see the same republic in the way the empire is treating people.

So with their point of view, they are still acting as good soldiers of the republic. Just not good soldiers of the empire.

So the inhibitor chip is still keeping them loyal. Just not loyal to the empire.

Yeah, the jedi were branded as traitors to the republic, and Howzer's personality shows that they are still fighting the good fight, and they were led to believe that the Jedi were traitors to the republic

aside from what they were told and believe, I think order 66 and certain orders they have no control with disobeying

I think they can disobey imperial chain to a degree, but if someone like the emperor gives an order, the inhibitor chips overrides personality and they have no choice but to comply

"Ultra;c-2278012" wrote:
Yeah, the jedi were branded as traitors to the republic, and Howzer's personality shows that they are still fighting the good fight, and they were led to believe that the Jedi were traitors to the republic

aside from what they were told and believe, I think order 66 and certain orders they have no control with disobeying

I think they can disobey imperial chain to a degree, but if someone like the emperor gives an order, the inhibitor chips overrides personality and they have no choice but to comply

They would have to use one of the contingency orders for the inhibitor chip to kick in. In a comic, order 66 was used against the inquisitors by Jedi remnants who didn't have their lightsabers in hand. The chips have muddied the water way too much imho. From the movies to the final season of Clone Wars and even in Bad Batch, the activation of the chip had a more broad effect on the clones. We see Cody refer to Palps as "My Lord" and not Chancellor. In Bad Batch it seemingly took away the clones personality. Maybe Howzer is a way to correct this or show that some clones are mentally stronger than their brothers? I think a lot more explaining needs to be done to clarify the chip and how it works.