So riddle me this: Opposing shardmate's ZGJ led team of Jedis: The entire team starts with Foresight. His Zoda goes first with his Battle Meditation, which grants Tenacity Up and Foresight for 2 turns on all allies. My Baze gets insta-max TM, so I roll with his AOE "Unload". All Jedis lose foresight but keep Tenacity Up. Seems WAI, right? But wait! Hear me out:Baze's Unload states:"Deal Physical damage to all enemies and Dispel all buffs on them." snipSee where I'm going yet? It clearly states "deal physical damage to all enemies", which doesn't happen due to Foresight, but Foresight should go away instantly, and it does. The second part states "and dispel all buffs on them". The latter should kill Tenacity Up, but it doesn't.My other argument is that "dispel all buffs on them" has the keyword "all" in it. I know, I know, but Foresight is suppose to grant 100% Evasion for 1 turn.Which brings me to my final question:What benefit is Foresight for 2 turns if it can be dispelled before a turn is ever taken? I propose Zoda's Battle Meditation actually grant Foresight through 2 hits instead. To me, that would be the ultimate Zeta.

"Ben_kenobi;862843" wrote:I think it is working as intended, if you remember back from the evasion lead days the taunts were never dispelled if the tank dodged. But it would be nice to hear from a dev about this. Yeup! And taunters still can Dodge a dispel (see if often, as of late).

Concerning Baze: Yes he should remove all buffs with his "unload" but in my opinion, the foresight buff toggles first, so every enemy evades and therefore keeps every buff besides foresight. It´s kind of the same discussion with Han Solo´s first shoot not always stunning, if tenacity or evasion of enemy is high enough...keep smiling

"SnakesOnAPlane;88717" wrote:So riddle me this: Opposing shardmate's ZGJ led team of Jedis: The entire team starts with Foresight. His Zoda goes first with his Battle Meditation, which grants Tenacity Up and Foresight for 2 turns on all allies. My Baze gets insta-max TM, so I roll with his AOE "Unload". All Jedis lose foresight but keep Tenacity Up. Seems WAI, right? But wait! Hear me out:Baze's Unload states:"Deal Physical damage to all enemies and Dispel all buffs on them." snipSee where I'm going yet? It clearly states "deal physical damage to all enemies", which doesn't happen due to Foresight, but Foresight should go away instantly, and it does. The second part states "and dispel all buffs on them". The latter should kill Tenacity Up, but it doesn't.My other argument is that "dispel all buffs on them" has the keyword "all" in it. I know, I know, but Foresight is suppose to grant 100% Evasion for 1 turn.Which brings me to my final question:What benefit is Foresight for 2 turns if it can be dispelled before a turn is ever taken? I propose Zoda's Battle Meditation actually grant Foresight through 2 hits instead. To me, that would be the ultimate Zeta.Dude, 2 turns of full evasions is super broken that would break the game

This is the same wording as expose, but expose and foresight are granted for that long to be a reaction to a hit for that long.... not a sustained event for that long.No damage for 2 full turns would be a little rediculous.

foresight can't be dispelled. I've watched QGJ try every single arena match during that other meta everybody seemed to hate ;)

Baze "Unload" v Zoda's "Battle Meditation"

SnakesssOnAPlan
8 years ago
"Ben_kenobi;862843" wrote:
I think it is working as intended, if you remember back from the evasion lead days the taunts were never dispelled if the tank dodged. But it would be nice to hear from a dev about this.

Yeup! And taunters still can Dodge a dispel (see if often, as of late).
NarkoThrawn
8 years ago
Concerning Baze: Yes he should remove all buffs with his "unload" but in my opinion, the foresight buff toggles first, so every enemy evades and therefore keeps every buff besides foresight. It´s kind of the same discussion with Han Solo´s first shoot not always stunning, if tenacity or evasion of enemy is high enough...keep smiling
ElleMadara
8 years ago
"SnakesOnAPlane;88717" wrote:
So riddle me this:

Opposing shardmate's ZGJ led team of Jedis: The entire team starts with Foresight. His Zoda goes first with his Battle Meditation, which grants Tenacity Up and Foresight for 2 turns on all allies. My Baze gets insta-max TM, so I roll with his AOE "Unload". All Jedis lose foresight but keep Tenacity Up. Seems WAI, right? But wait! Hear me out:

Baze's Unload states:

"Deal Physical damage to all enemies and Dispel all buffs on them." snip

See where I'm going yet? It clearly states "deal physical damage to all enemies", which doesn't happen due to Foresight, but Foresight should go away instantly, and it does. The second part states "and dispel all buffs on them". The latter should kill Tenacity Up, but it doesn't.

My other argument is that "dispel all buffs on them" has the keyword "all" in it. I know, I know, but Foresight is suppose to grant 100% Evasion for 1 turn.

Which brings me to my final question:

What benefit is Foresight for 2 turns if it can be dispelled before a turn is ever taken? I propose Zoda's Battle Meditation actually grant Foresight through 2 hits instead. To me, that would be the ultimate Zeta.

Dude, 2 turns of full evasions is super broken that would break the game
NyKynoe
8 years ago
This is the same wording as expose, but expose and foresight are granted for that long to be a reaction to a hit for that long.... not a sustained event for that long.

No damage for 2 full turns would be a little rediculous.
emvedebe
8 years ago
foresight can't be dispelled. I've watched QGJ try every single arena match during that other meta everybody seemed to hate ;)
SnakesssOnAPlan
8 years ago
^^^ ObviouslyNot just "obviously notted" me! ;)
scuba75
Rising Traveler
8 years ago
To add.. The order of operations has been change to dispel before damage anyway (one of the reasons GK is so annoying).
Also if the attack get dodged so does the dispel.
SnakesssOnAPlan
8 years ago
"scuba;863217" wrote:
To add.. The order of operations has been change to dispel before damage anyway.

Yeup, I took a look at the mechanics last night, right before I passed out, and noticed that was the case. If it was opposite, like how it's written, then my thoughts would hold true.

This is another example of poorly written descriptions.
AchillesAT
8 years ago
"scuba;863217" wrote:
To add.. The order of operations has been change to dispel before damage anyway

Because of Savage ...
DeepChu
8 years ago
This is b2 mow down desc:
Mow Down
Special · Level 8
Mow Down 3 turn cooldown
Deal Physical damage to all enemies and Dispel all positive status effects on them, with a 65% chance to also inflict Buff Immunity for 2 turns (applied before damage.)

And this baze unload:
Unload
Special · Level 8
Unload 3 turn cooldown
Deal Physical damage to all enemies and Dispel all buffs on them. Empire enemies and enemies who were not buffed take bonus damage equal to 25% of their Max Health. If Chirrut Îmwe is present, he is called to Assist.

With b2 dispell is applied before dmg and not with baze. That is the difference.