C3P0 Nerf or not??

"Vertigo;c-1724173" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1724148" wrote:
Either way this issue needs addressed. I don't have a zeta on Finn but if the team stays as is, I'll need to zeta him to stay competitive in hstr (for haat, I think jtr with 3PO can also solo so I could still be competitive.)

But if they nerf it, we need to know so we don't waste a zeta. And yes, I know that zfinn can be good in other areas so it's not a complete waste. And with 3PO making rebels expose, it may have even more use in tw/ga. But depending on how they change things, that may change. If they make it only resistance allys expose, then the zeta is useless to me since I don't have enough resistance to run a 2nd team. But if you can throw zfinn, 3PO, and a trio of b team rebels is for a good team, then the zeta isn't wasted.

@CG_SBCrumb can we get some info on this issue sooner rather than later?

2) They can fix this without nerfing zFinn. They just need to allow Traya to stack potency while she's toppled in P3, (Preferably at a slower rate than un-toppled so it doesn't impact other teams too much) that way the exposes will start to get resisted pretty quickly as theres a lot of attacks hitting her.

If they do this, what about arena? Every team in the future that doesn't somehow account for expose (ten up won't cut it) will get rekt.

"Vertigo;c-1724173" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1724148" wrote:
Either way this issue needs addressed. I don't have a zeta on Finn but if the team stays as is, I'll need to zeta him to stay competitive in hstr (for haat, I think jtr with 3PO can also solo so I could still be competitive.)

But if they nerf it, we need to know so we don't waste a zeta. And yes, I know that zfinn can be good in other areas so it's not a complete waste. And with 3PO making rebels expose, it may have even more use in tw/ga. But depending on how they change things, that may change. If they make it only resistance allys expose, then the zeta is useless to me since I don't have enough resistance to run a 2nd team. But if you can throw zfinn, 3PO, and a trio of b team rebels is for a good team, then the zeta isn't wasted.

@CG_SBCrumb can we get some info on this issue sooner rather than later?

1) zFinn isn't a waste of a zeta, it's an amazing zeta and is sometimes better than RJT's lead.

2) They can fix this without nerfing zFinn. They just need to allow Traya to stack potency while she's toppled in P3, (Preferably at a slower rate than un-toppled so it doesn't impact other teams too much) that way the exposes will start to get resisted pretty quickly as theres a lot of attacks hitting her. Would stop the team from Auto-ing P3, but still allow the tank to be autoable. Initial dev response replied to a thread on the youtube video autoing the tank that it wouldn't be changed as long as it didn't impact other parts of the game, this clearly impacts other parts of the game, but the best fix would be to change the mechanics slightly in P3. They did this with the Enrage feature in the tank when Maul and zCody teams could go well past enrage with massive health pools/health regeneration and massive amounts of Protection recovery by adding the healing immunity debuff that couldn't be cleansed and then changing healing immunity to also include protection, not just health.

I never said Finn's zeta was bad. Just that until now, I didn't habe much use for it. With only enough resistance squads geared up for one resistance team and it not being good in the hstr until now, it just didn't add enough utility to my roster. I already had jtr lead zetaed for hstr. And gearing and zetaing finn just to be able to swap out the lead is a bit of a waste. And farming and gearing another resistance team just for tw/ga is a bit of a waste when there are other teams that are good in tw/ga/hstr that would also need the gear.

Obviously as I said that changes if 3PO makes him work with rebels in tw/ga and also good in the raid.

But I'm more skeptical that they won't nerf it to the point where I'd need to farm more resistance for finn to be useful and will save the zeta until we get confirmation one way or the other.

Please do not change zFinn, it is a great team in TW and has been for a long time. Many rely on this team. Find another solution.

"StarSon;c-1724183" wrote:

"Vertigo;c-1724173" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1724148" wrote:
Either way this issue needs addressed. I don't have a zeta on Finn but if the team stays as is, I'll need to zeta him to stay competitive in hstr (for haat, I think jtr with 3PO can also solo so I could still be competitive.)

But if they nerf it, we need to know so we don't waste a zeta. And yes, I know that zfinn can be good in other areas so it's not a complete waste. And with 3PO making rebels expose, it may have even more use in tw/ga. But depending on how they change things, that may change. If they make it only resistance allys expose, then the zeta is useless to me since I don't have enough resistance to run a 2nd team. But if you can throw zfinn, 3PO, and a trio of b team rebels is for a good team, then the zeta isn't wasted.

@CG_SBCrumb can we get some info on this issue sooner rather than later?

2) They can fix this without nerfing zFinn. They just need to allow Traya to stack potency while she's toppled in P3, (Preferably at a slower rate than un-toppled so it doesn't impact other teams too much) that way the exposes will start to get resisted pretty quickly as theres a lot of attacks hitting her.

If they do this, what about arena? Every team in the future that doesn't somehow account for expose (ten up won't cut it) will get rekt.

As for Arena, there are many teams and specific characters that gain TM when their enemies are hit/critically hit/debuffed. Some people are immune to TMR.

The other possibility there is to just make Han's first turn not apply expose (If they can program only his first basic to stun, they can program his first basic to not apply expose, but allow the other ones to do so). That way the team isn't starting with 35% more turn meter than everyone else and they can't just roll through people from the start. This team is a variation of the zFinn teams of old that could steamroll people on offense with just Finn, Poe and RT. The exception now is that they have an almost guaranteed chance to go first to get the exposes rolling. zFinn teams could get an infinite loop of TM in before and Poe could reduce the TM of the whole team keeping the zFinn team at 100% TM and the enemy at 0% TM for an entire match. That team never held on defense, and this one won't either. I don't really see a hugeee problem with the team in arena, the one video that was viral of the team beating Revan wasn't the way it always works out. He said that most of the time GK gets 100% TM after the first time he dies (in the video his TM get reduced after he gets saved) and from there he's basically set up to lose because the enemy takes a turn and after that point the Revan team has the advantage and can pin down their toons to stop most of their tm gain.

@ CG anybody, I don't care what you do to finn, 3po, or traya. Just make a freaking announcement already one way or the other to hopefully get some faith back into the community that you are not nerfing toons only after the revenue has dried up. Even, "Hey we are looking into this. May be changes coming." would do.

"Vertigo;c-1724191" wrote:

"StarSon;c-1724183" wrote:

"Vertigo;c-1724173" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1724148" wrote:
Either way this issue needs addressed. I don't have a zeta on Finn but if the team stays as is, I'll need to zeta him to stay competitive in hstr (for haat, I think jtr with 3PO can also solo so I could still be competitive.)

But if they nerf it, we need to know so we don't waste a zeta. And yes, I know that zfinn can be good in other areas so it's not a complete waste. And with 3PO making rebels expose, it may have even more use in tw/ga. But depending on how they change things, that may change. If they make it only resistance allys expose, then the zeta is useless to me since I don't have enough resistance to run a 2nd team. But if you can throw zfinn, 3PO, and a trio of b team rebels is for a good team, then the zeta isn't wasted.

@CG_SBCrumb can we get some info on this issue sooner rather than later?

2) They can fix this without nerfing zFinn. They just need to allow Traya to stack potency while she's toppled in P3, (Preferably at a slower rate than un-toppled so it doesn't impact other teams too much) that way the exposes will start to get resisted pretty quickly as theres a lot of attacks hitting her.

If they do this, what about arena? Every team in the future that doesn't somehow account for expose (ten up won't cut it) will get rekt.

As for Arena, there are many teams and specific characters that gain TM when their enemies are hit/critically hit/debuffed. Some people are immune to TMR.

TMR is irrelevant here. Han and Chewie go, apply and hit exposes, and the game is over if you aren't fighting Revan.

The other possibility there is to just make Han's first turn not apply expose (If they can program only his first basic to stun, they can program his first basic to not apply expose, but allow the other ones to do so). That way the team isn't starting with 35% more turn meter than everyone else and they can't just roll through people from the start.

Changing Han in this way would make no sense, since he only exposes with C3.

This team is a variation of the zFinn teams of old that could steamroll people on offense with just Finn, Poe and RT. The exception now is that they have an almost guaranteed chance to go first to get the exposes rolling. zFinn teams could get an infinite loop of TM in before and Poe could reduce the TM of the whole team keeping the zFinn team at 100% TM and the enemy at 0% TM for an entire match. That team never held on defense, and this one won't either.

This difference is the reason it's a problem. Unless a mirror match, you go first and the tm train starts. Unless you're fighting Revan, you win. There are no ways around this as is.

I don't really see a hugeee problem with the team in arena, the one video that was viral of the team beating Revan wasn't the way it always works out. He said that most of the time GK gets 100% TM after the first time he dies (in the video his TM get reduced after he gets saved) and from there he's basically set up to lose because the enemy takes a turn and after that point the Revan team has the advantage and can pin down their toons to stop most of their tm gain.

There's not a huge problem because Revan is a thing right now. Every future arena team will need to account for this.

A stacking tenacity mechanic while toppled would be so anoying too... One of my main P3 teams is based on termal detonators, with boba L, zam, dengar, greedo ang IG88.
I developed this team for that single purpose, cuz thanks to IG88 payout i can negate the tenacity traya gets from death sabers (3 ig88 hits in every topple is enough)... This team is fully potency moded and landing 10-15 detonators each topple +greedosstand alone net me 4-8kk damage in p3.

At least if something like that happens i got chewie without investing any extra shit in my BH cuz i had them alrready developeds...

I dunno how many have tried the FinP0 combo, but it's not really an infinite loop in any situation. It's more like ns, where you get tons of turns if done correctly, but not infinitely. Eventually something will be slightly off and break the cycle. Don't think it really needs a nerf.

Same goes for JtrP0. It's pretty neat and can easily get 10% in str p1, but by no means infinite

@Gannon An ability without cooldown that gives the user 100% turnmeter is an infinite loop. Sure you can get misses and resists or a disconnect from the game that breaks the loop but that's exceptions, not the rule.