C3P0 Nerf or not??

The “fix” is most likely to be a raid change that makes raid harder for every team except the shiny new one

"Vertigo;c-1724247" wrote:

"Noxhaven;c-1724244" wrote:
If they change Finns zeta lead so your resistance only gain the 35% turnmeter and 1 turn CD reduction when doing damage to an exposed target during a characters turn - would it cause trouble for any of the standard zFinn teams? (aka it wont give the turnmeter and CD reduction while assisting or counter attacking)

I guess BB8 cant counter attack an exposed target for the CD and turnmeter gain anymore but no one use him under zFinn anyway.. I dont think it will hurt anything else then c3po's swarm attack and rHan counter attacks.

I dont know.. i got Revan and c3po already, just dont like inf loop cheese.

Counter attacks and assists are are all still part of a characters turn. If Yoda attacks Han Solo, and Han counter attacks, that is all happening during Yoda's turn. It is outside of Han's turn. C-3PO's mass assist is still inside his turn so all those exposes and TM gains would still be during his turn, meaning that C-3PO would then be the only one gaining TM and the cooldown reduction from his mass assist, making that not even a viable way to stop the infinite loop.

I rephrased it to this in hope that it wont get misunderstood into oblivion.. again.

If the resistance faction on the team dont get the turnmeter and CD reduction from Finn's leader ability while causing expose damage when assisting or counter attacking - would it cause any harm to any of the regular zFinn teams?

"Legend91;c-1724249" wrote:
Well, it's an infinite loop so a fix IS going to happen.
Just like several ppl alrdy pointed out, the easiest fix would be to add a certain mechanic to raid Traya, f.e. stacking tenacity when hit.

It's not quite an actual infinite loop, but close enough to the previous situations that there will probably be some change to stop it. I did it today and only got 14M. She will eventually resist enough exposes that she comes out of topple.

Maybe CG are just scruffy looking nerf herders and they like making nerfable toons...

"Noxhaven;c-1724263" wrote:

"Vertigo;c-1724247" wrote:

"Noxhaven;c-1724244" wrote:
If they change Finns zeta lead so your resistance only gain the 35% turnmeter and 1 turn CD reduction when doing damage to an exposed target during a characters turn - would it cause trouble for any of the standard zFinn teams? (aka it wont give the turnmeter and CD reduction while assisting or counter attacking)

I guess BB8 cant counter attack an exposed target for the CD and turnmeter gain anymore but no one use him under zFinn anyway.. I dont think it will hurt anything else then c3po's swarm attack and rHan counter attacks.

I dont know.. i got Revan and c3po already, just dont like inf loop cheese.

Counter attacks and assists are are all still part of a characters turn. If Yoda attacks Han Solo, and Han counter attacks, that is all happening during Yoda's turn. It is outside of Han's turn. C-3PO's mass assist is still inside his turn so all those exposes and TM gains would still be during his turn, meaning that C-3PO would then be the only one gaining TM and the cooldown reduction from his mass assist, making that not even a viable way to stop the infinite loop.

I rephrased it to this in hope that it wont get misunderstood into oblivion.. again.

If the resistance faction on the team dont get the turnmeter and CD reduction from Finn's leader ability while causing expose damage when assisting or counter attacking - would it cause any harm to any of the regular zFinn teams?

Would only hurt pure resistance teams with RJT or BB8 under zFinn lead. (As well as C-3PO obviously).
It would also hurt any mixed-faction teams under zFinn lead that have any sort of assist or counter mechanism (ie, I put Wampa into a zFinn team so he can stun the characters that are exposed with his basic, if he counter attacks an exposed character he now stuns that toon, but my team won't gain TM). It would severely hurt teams that put GK in to tank for a zFinn team as he spread retribution and calls a mass assist as well. It really hurts all sorts of inter-faction play with zFinn. Which is exactly what C-3PO is supposed to bolster: "Evasive support character that Confuses foes and strengthens mixed-faction interplay with Translation." They just boosted it a little bit too much....

"StarSon;c-1724301" wrote:

"Legend91;c-1724249" wrote:
Well, it's an infinite loop so a fix IS going to happen.
Just like several ppl alrdy pointed out, the easiest fix would be to add a certain mechanic to raid Traya, f.e. stacking tenacity when hit.

It's not quite an actual infinite loop, but close enough to the previous situations that there will probably be some change to stop it. I did it today and only got 14M. She will eventually resist enough exposes that she comes out of topple.

Try zFinn, c3po, bb8, rHan and Leia. Mod rHan and Leia with potency sets, cross and secondary's.

Why not keep it simple, for raids anyway? There is a mechanic that already exists for some raid bosses - we could give toppled raid bosses a small percentage TM (say 2-3%) when they take damage, and adjust toppled speed down accordingly to give an approximate equivalent to what we had before. We would end up with a fix to any possible infinite TM loop. If done correctly, there would be no impact to any other squad comp and Finn/C3PO could still be super effective.

"Noxhaven;c-1724317" wrote:

"StarSon;c-1724301" wrote:

"Legend91;c-1724249" wrote:
Well, it's an infinite loop so a fix IS going to happen.
Just like several ppl alrdy pointed out, the easiest fix would be to add a certain mechanic to raid Traya, f.e. stacking tenacity when hit.

It's not quite an actual infinite loop, but close enough to the previous situations that there will probably be some change to stop it. I did it today and only got 14M. She will eventually resist enough exposes that she comes out of topple.

Try zFinn, c3po, bb8, rHan and Leia. Mod rHan and Leia with potency sets, cross and secondary's.

I had Chewie instead of BB, everyone modded for potency, and went in with one saber. It's still RNG, as there is always a chance to resist. I do think something will be changed, I just wanted to point out that it's not as easy as just "use these 5 characters and hit auto."

How is it an infinite loop if it doesn't loop infinitely?
That's not nerf worthy according to CG rule.

This is yet another indicator of CG not having any clear understanding of the character mechanics and their interaction, across the board, until after they have been released and trialed through the masses. They have a vision and direction they want to go for the future, but a severe lack of such for the present engineering within the game.

Get used to future toon abilities having multiple paragraphs going forward, or more than 2 Uniques. They’ll need it to be able to combat the ever growing trend of the insanely difficult previous character release mechanics. It’s a vicious cycle with no end in sight.