Can we get an update on zFinn, C3PO and HSTR?

I don't think this is as big of an issue as some think. Yes, it is possible to solo p3 with finn. Bit it is very rng dependent.

I run Finn, r2, 3PO, han, and leia. I can get around 10 to 15 mil most times but it really depends. If you get bad luck and tray resists early you may only get a few million. I can usually get 2 topples since han can topple with his stand alone. But even so if rng hates you it's a 7 mil run. And eventually rmg hates you and your run ends. Even with everyone modded for potency.

It's a great team and one of the higher dmg dealers in p3, (I think ns and revan can also get 10 mil or so) but it isn't really broken and the loop is far from infinite.

My guess is they discovered that it isn't that big of issue and that any fixes they had in mind broke more than they fixed. So they have to figure something else out.

My advice is just leave it be. You need one of the newest legendaries to get big dmg and possibly solo (if the stars line up and rng loves you) one phase of a year old raid. Not really broken. New characters always make it easier to score higher in raids and other modes. That is pretty much the selling point of getting that toon.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1763282" wrote:
I don't think this is as big of an issue as some think. Yes, it is possible to solo p3 with finn. Bit it is very rng dependent.

I run Finn, r2, 3PO, han, and leia. I can get around 10 to 15 mil most times but it really depends. If you get bad luck and tray resists early you may only get a few million. I can usually get 2 topples since han can topple with his stand alone. But even so if rng hates you it's a 7 mil run. And eventually rmg hates you and your run ends. Even with everyone modded for potency.

It's a great team and one of the higher dmg dealers in p3, (I think ns and revan can also get 10 mil or so) but it isn't really broken and the loop is far from infinite.

My guess is they discovered that it isn't that big of issue and that any fixes they had in mind broke more than they fixed. So they have to figure something else out.

My advice is just leave it be. You need one of the newest legendaries to get big dmg and possibly solo (if the stars line up and rng loves you) one phase of a year old raid. Not really broken. New characters always make it easier to score higher in raids and other modes. That is pretty much the selling point of getting that toon.

Replace R2 with Ezra and the team can solo on auto. I know because I do it every HSTR. I've also been able to auto with zFinn, 3p0, chopper, leia, k2. As long as they are modded for potency it's easy. Now I would love for them to not change it, but your arguement of it being RNG dependent just isn't true.

As nice as it is to solo P3, we've found that many end up cherry picking. Doing literally no damage throughout the rest of the raid only to swoop in pluck 1st place rewards while the rest of us grind, P1, 2 and 4. As guild leaders, its too hard to micromanage each phase so we had to ban C3PO in P3.

Now we have an issue with people auto'ing HAAT too fast lol. A year ago, who would have thought that'd be a problem?

"Gorem;c-1761885" wrote:

"GOWLIKEABOSS;c-1761702" wrote:

"Pieriku;c-1761652" wrote:

"Franimus;c-1759303" wrote:

"Drim;c-1758997" wrote:
Can we get a update losing rewards to people that only solo p3.... not fun this is a serious slap in the face for how long this has dragged on

My guild is able to do tier 6 consistently now, in under a week, just because I am able to take down p3 in a day. Otherwise we max our raid tickets and have to spend most of the time doing tier 5. So we all get better rewards, not just me. (I was typically top 5 before anyways, due to NS, so its not like i jumped up out of nowhere.) It's not all sunshine though, I still can't solo it on auto, only about half. So to solo I have to spend an hour or three making sure c3po always has full tm.

So please do not nerf the zfinn+c3po mechanic!

Same in my guild. Tier 6 was quite painful for us and we had to rotate with tier 5 in order not to waste our raid tickets. We are now a few people who can finish this phase 3 in less than a day, which allows us to do only tier 6 raids. Of course, those guys are the same that were in the top spots before C3P0. And all the guild benefits from the better rewards now.
This raid is so painful that it disgusted a lot of people who are almost never participating so, please, keep this ZFinn thing as it is.

I personally stopped playing this game until the zFinn is fixed. I spent 4 months building three P3 teams, only to have all that work made meaningless because one guy in my guild has C3PO and solos the whole thing.

You notice how all the people fighting to keep this change now are people who apparently want the game to be easy mode so they can be lazy since it's "Too painful to do"? Meanwhile HSTR at least where my guild is concerned is quite fun for us as we all like the hard challenge. Its meant to be hard, its meant to require farming the right characters and blood sweat and tears. 4 months to prep for a phase which is now all wasted time, why would the devs want people to feel like that? Surely it would only be good for the game to get this phase fixed up.

Notice also how all the people crying salty tears are those who have spent years building their pitiful P3 teams.

Should have whaled on C3P0 instead of wasting your time on farming stupid P3 teams that do like 3 million damage. It's not my fault that those people have made poor game choices.

"Sirlagzalott;c-1763385" wrote:
As nice as it is to solo P3, we've found that many end up cherry picking. Doing literally no damage throughout the rest of the raid only to swoop in pluck 1st place rewards while the rest of us grind, P1, 2 and 4. As guild leaders, its too hard to micromanage each phase so we had to ban C3PO in P3.

Now we have an issue with people auto'ing HAAT too fast lol. A year ago, who would have thought that'd be a problem?

This also happened with HAAT. When CLS came out people were soloing p1 and completing HPit in record time. It's just the progression of the game.

Just because you worked really hard to gear a few teams for HSTR does not give you the right to top rewards when a new better team comes out. You didn't invest to get 3p0 and others did, why should they have to sacrifice their earned reward of a team that can put up big numbers in HSTR?

"theatomicpun;c-1763399" wrote:

"Sirlagzalott;c-1763385" wrote:
As nice as it is to solo P3, we've found that many end up cherry picking. Doing literally no damage throughout the rest of the raid only to swoop in pluck 1st place rewards while the rest of us grind, P1, 2 and 4. As guild leaders, its too hard to micromanage each phase so we had to ban C3PO in P3.

Now we have an issue with people auto'ing HAAT too fast lol. A year ago, who would have thought that'd be a problem?

This also happened with HAAT. When CLS came out people were soloing p1 and completing HPit in record time. It's just the progression of the game.

Just because you worked really hard to gear a few teams for HSTR does not give you the right to top rewards when a new better team comes out. You didn't invest to get 3p0 and others did, why should they have to sacrifice their earned reward of a team that can put up big numbers in HSTR?

We'll, some of those "others" were able to invest in 3po because they weren't investing in any other toons/teams to get through the raid. I know a lot of players who are ticked because they were investing in toons solely focused on helping their guilds get through the raid. Now you have players who barely understand the mechanics of the game soloing a phase on auto and taking top spots. Add this on top of other phase breaking teams that were fixed over the past few months and there is some understandable frustration.

"Pile;c-1764065" wrote:

"theatomicpun;c-1763399" wrote:

"Sirlagzalott;c-1763385" wrote:
As nice as it is to solo P3, we've found that many end up cherry picking. Doing literally no damage throughout the rest of the raid only to swoop in pluck 1st place rewards while the rest of us grind, P1, 2 and 4. As guild leaders, its too hard to micromanage each phase so we had to ban C3PO in P3.

Now we have an issue with people auto'ing HAAT too fast lol. A year ago, who would have thought that'd be a problem?

This also happened with HAAT. When CLS came out people were soloing p1 and completing HPit in record time. It's just the progression of the game.

Just because you worked really hard to gear a few teams for HSTR does not give you the right to top rewards when a new better team comes out. You didn't invest to get 3p0 and others did, why should they have to sacrifice their earned reward of a team that can put up big numbers in HSTR?

We'll, some of those "others" were able to invest in 3po because they weren't investing in any other toons/teams to get through the raid. I know a lot of players who are ticked because they were investing in toons solely focused on helping their guilds get through the raid. Now you have players who barely understand the mechanics of the game soloing a phase on auto and taking top spots. Add this on top of other phase breaking teams that were fixed over the past few months and there is some understandable frustration.

The only ones in my guild using this team were aready in the top 5. So for us it didn't really change the places just raised the numbers and made p3 go faster.

On a side note, if they aren't going to fix it like they did the others, bring the event back early so people can level the playing field

"YaeVizsla;c-1748078" wrote:

"TVF;c-1748040" wrote:
I'm defining it as the most commonly used team.

I hear it commonly used both ways. Picking one or the other as "most" common is questionable, and acknowledging both definitions is a good way to prevent talking past each other uselessly in the future, because Traya is still meta in the sense that she's a relevant part of the current metagame, but is not meta in that she is not the most efficient tactic available assuming a late game player with all units available or theoretical long-term aspiration, but is most efficient tactic available to the many people who don't have Revan available to them at this time, because his event's only happened once and the number of folks who managed to get them are relatively limited. Because the last word in the acronym "meta" is "available," and someone can't be meta on an individual basis if they are not available. It ends up a relative and dynamic term. In brand new shards, Phoenix is meta for a while, because better teams are unavailable.

"Meta" is a term that needs some unpacking.

100% ftw

And here I thought it was short for "Make Everyone Think Alike" /s

I don't think it is useful to mess with the mechanics at this point. It's been almost two months, no one seems bothered with it. What's the point of changing it now ?