Captain Drogan

To be fair, I hated phoenix for years. That aside, my issue with drogan, as many have pointed out, is that he's there when characters we've loved for years, and had in the films are not there.
Yes, all of these characters are made up, Cal Kestis, Kyle Kataarn, Revan and many other characters were created for games and exist only in games. However, there's plot that goes with them, that's why they became beloved characters. I've yet to figure out the plot of swgoh. So drogan is just some guy that some other guy at cg decided to make. Inclusiveness for inclusiveness sake is disgusting. Whether that be based on race, religion, Creed, physicality, or mental health, it's disgusting because it implies someone that is different for whatever reason is inferior, therefore could not hold that position or be whatever it is without specific help. This includes when an actor or actress is chosen for a role, that is not predefined, ie there's a reason Samuel L Jackson didn't play Obi Wan, based solely on some of these traits as opposed to their ability to act.
A great example is Reva. Many people hate her for whatever the reason is. I hate Reva, but I think that they picked the best possible actress for the role and that she performed that role very well.
Which brings us back to drogan, why does he exist? Because someone at cg specifically decided they wanted someone with a disability in the game. If lucasfilm wanted this, he could absolutely have been introduced into another media first....there's even a show out right now that would have been the perfect media. As someone who, in spite of his limb difference, risked everything, joined the rebellion, showed that he was capable and led others in the fight against an empire that would have been actively discrimating against simply because of his disability. But no, we have a disabled person so we can have a disabled person.

"Jacgul;c-2437212" wrote:
Inclusiveness for inclusiveness sake is disgusting. Whether that be based on race, religion, Creed, physicality, or mental health, it's disgusting because it implies someone that is different for whatever reason is inferior, therefore could not hold that position or be whatever it is without specific help.

lol, no. That is not at all what it implies. How do you jump from inclusiveness to implied inferiority? Given the number of named characters across star wars media, we're at a point where it's expected to see characters with congenital differences.

"Jacgul;c-2437212" wrote:
This includes when an actor or actress is chosen for a role, that is not predefined, ie there's a reason Samuel L Jackson didn't play Obi Wan, based solely on some of these traits as opposed to their ability to act.

What? I'm guessing Samuel L. Jackson didn't play Obi Wan because they released the first movie back in '77, when SLJ was only 29 years old. Doesn't quite fit the bill of old man. And it'd be weird to get that role and reprise it 2 decades later as a younger version of ones self.

"Jacgul;c-2437212" wrote:
Which brings us back to drogan, why does he exist? Because someone at cg specifically decided they wanted someone with a disability in the game. If lucasfilm wanted this, he could absolutely have been introduced into another media first....there's even a show out right now that would have been the perfect media. As someone who, in spite of his limb difference, risked everything, joined the rebellion, showed that he was capable and led others in the fight against an empire that would have been actively discrimating against simply because of his disability. But no, we have a disabled person so we can have a disabled person.

We have a person because people exist.

And that's a problem, why?

"Jacgul;c-2437227" wrote:

"iMalevolence;c-2437226" wrote:
And that's a problem, why?

How did he get the rank?

> An expert tactician and technician

Seems to me like CG already explained how he moved up ranks.

"iMalevolence;c-2437228" wrote:

"Jacgul;c-2437227" wrote:

"iMalevolence;c-2437226" wrote:
And that's a problem, why?

How did he get the rank?

> An expert tactician and technician

Seems to me like CG already explained how he moved up ranks.

Nope, rebel fighter tag. Tacticians and technicians aren't frontline combatants the way every other rebel fighter is.

"YolkyWarEagle1;c-2437241" wrote:

"dogwelder79;c-2437217" wrote:
Also, using a flamethrower in a forest is not very heroic.

sounds about like using welders on dogs

Touché ???

So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.

You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.

"Drathuk916;c-2437261" wrote:


So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.

You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.

I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.

"Abe_Fr0man;c-2437280" wrote:
Yes. In the real world I’d assume you’re correct. I won’t pretend I know squat about military conflict. But this isn’t the real world. In this universe military engagements include fighting alongside ~3’ tall bears. In this universe a blaster shot can be stopped in mid-flight. I think trying to apply real world logic makes everything go to crap.

So where do you draw the line? No one dies from lightsaber wounds? Blasters are nerf darts? Clones were bread as super soldiers for no reason because according to you it doesn't matter? We have decades of lore that have framed the rules and logic of star Wars, and especially in the martial aspects, it's been quite clear that it's the same. Whether the old Republic Commando novels or the new clone wars, we have a very clear picture of what war is in star Wars. And it looks almost identical to war on earth, just on a grander scale.
And a 3 foot tall bear would have little to no trouble ripping a human limb from limb.

"Jacgul;c-2437279" wrote:

"Drathuk916;c-2437261" wrote:


So his limb difference is a missing finger (not his thumb) on his right hand that holds the keypad he punches commands into for the flamethrower. He fires his blaster with his left hand.

You’re all acting as if his limb difference makes him incapable of functioning in any meaningful way on the “front lines.” This is the exact opposite intent of cg when creating the character. The point of the character is he is still capable of being a valuable fighter despite missing a finger and presumably, though not stated, having a weaker right arm.

I assume your statement is based on years of your own years of military experience and multiple deployments right? Because if it's not, believe me, you won't won't win that. This winter I'll have spent 38 months deployed. No, having a weaker arm you can't be a part of any military team, same problem I have with echo, because guess what, when someone goes down, if you can't carry them, you're worse than useless. It is never acceptable to be the weakest link in any military capacity. If he's a rebel fighter and a captain, it means he got given that rank, goes back to my initial post. He could never have possibly earned it through military operations doing a combattant job.

It's almost like the rebellion isn't some state sanctioned military with nearly limitless resources where it can turn away people for any reason, but is instead a fledgling operation, desperate for people willing to help and welcome to everyone. And, when given a chance, a person with a congenital difference was able to participate and offer meaningful contributions to the cause.