CGs algorithm fails again

"KwikShotaAce;c-2456442" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2455642" wrote:

"KwikShotaAce;c-2455538" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2454620" wrote:

"KwikShotaAce;c-2454607" wrote:
37 signed up. That's why I subtracted 13 from 50. So it's still vastly unbalanced.

You’re right, if only 37 of their players signed up, then they have 387m GP to your 444m. On top of that you have almost the same number of GLs and more of all of the top fleets. You should have walked all over them, so I can see why you’re upset at such an easy win.

For clarity I assumed that all of their 13 players who didn’t sign up had 8GLs and the three top fleets. I think that’s as fair an assumption as the ones you’ve made.

That doesn't make sense. We each had the same amount signed up. Plus they still averaged vastly more GLs which they dropped on front 4 walls. They still vastly out powered us.

Same amount of what signed up? Players? GP?

If it’s the same amount of players then I’m going to assume their GP distribution is top heavy and they had mostly larger players, with all GLs who didn’t sign up, while it was your weakest ones who didn’t sign up making it a fair match up still. Can you post your TW record from swgoh.gg which actually shows active GP, as without that this is not going to prove your point in the slightest.

Why would I say same amount of gp if we have different gps....smh

Because total guild GP and signed up GP to TW are different things, and can have a very different outcome on a TW.

"KwikShotaAce;c-2456443" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2455642" wrote:

"KwikShotaAce;c-2455538" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2454620" wrote:

"KwikShotaAce;c-2454607" wrote:
37 signed up. That's why I subtracted 13 from 50. So it's still vastly unbalanced.

You’re right, if only 37 of their players signed up, then they have 387m GP to your 444m. On top of that you have almost the same number of GLs and more of all of the top fleets. You should have walked all over them, so I can see why you’re upset at such an easy win.

For clarity I assumed that all of their 13 players who didn’t sign up had 8GLs and the three top fleets. I think that’s as fair an assumption as the ones you’ve made.

That doesn't make sense. We each had the same amount signed up. Plus they still averaged vastly more GLs which they dropped on front 4 walls. They still vastly out powered us.

Same amount of what signed up? Players? GP?

If it’s the same amount of players then I’m going to assume their GP distribution is top heavy and they had mostly larger players, with all GLs who didn’t sign up, while it was your weakest ones who didn’t sign up making it a fair match up still. Can you post your TW record from swgoh.gg which actually shows active GP, as without that this is not going to prove your point in the slightest.

I dont get how you are so confused. Their weakest or lowest GP member is 2.3 million more gp than our weakest....okay. no matter how you divide the GLS...they still have 50% more gls and more relic units than we do...nobody gives a crap about which one of them joined...I calculated their strength vs us taking OUT the strongest 13 in the guild...okay? So no matter how you slice it, dice or try to be a **** about it, they still averaged over 2 million GP PER member...maybe 1.5.
So again, to recap, no matter if their top 13 didn't join, they STILL averaged 40 to 50% more GLs and Relic characters..

Except that you’re still avoiding the question about how many of your players signed up. As I already pointed out if their 13 strongest players didn’t join, but you had all 50 then you could actually have outmatched them, at least on some metrics. You’re consistently not giving the pertinent information, like the TW history for your guild which can easily be found on swgoh.gg. A smaller guild can comfortably beat a bigger one, the details that you aren’t giving are important to help see if the matchmaking is working or not.

We had 43 sign up. Even with 6 more of any gl we are still outmatched.

"KwikShotaAce;c-2456931" wrote:
We had 43 sign up. Even with 6 more of any gl we are still outmatched.

Unless all 7 of yours who didn’t sign up had no GLs or top ships, and all 13 of theirs who didn’t sign up had everything.

What were the active GPs that signed up? That’s the only important question, and you keep avoiding it.

I already told you.
The average GP of the ACTIVE players were 2 million more GP. The weakest participant on THEIR team was 2 million stronger than OUR weakest. Idk what else you want. I've answered your question..and you keep saying I'm avoiding it. Look...idk how else to tell you....their list of GLs had the entire guild had 50 of one gl...48 of another and mid 40s of the rest.
Not everyone in our guild has any of one GL...okay. I think the most is 38 of one.
Dude, your making me repeat things. The CG algorithm screwed us over.

"KwikShotaAce;c-2456966" wrote:
I already told you.
The average GP of the ACTIVE players were 2 million more GP. The weakest participant on THEIR team was 2 million stronger than OUR weakest. Idk what else you want. I've answered your question..and you keep saying I'm avoiding it. Look...idk how else to tell you....their list of GLs had the entire guild had 50 of one gl...48 of another and mid 40s of the rest.
Not everyone in our guild has any of one GL...okay. I think the most is 38 of one.
Dude, your making me repeat things. The CG algorithm screwed us over.

No, all you’ve shown is guild level statistics, for all players in the guild, not only for the players who were active in the TW. Unless you’re trying to say that the screenshots above show that their 37 players who signed up had 523m GP, which is not possible in the game currently and that some of them had multiple copies of the same GL. So, once again, what was the active GP, for the players who signed up to TW, on each side? Why won’t you answer that? Which players sign up from a guild matters a lot.

On top of all of that you insist on talking just about GLs and GL fleets. Despite CGs intentions, GLs aren’t the be all to end all. You can beat LV with Fennec lead BH, Jabba falls to Aphra with a good datacron (and can be two-shot with a lot else besides), Sith empire can beat JML, Rey can go down to Trench, and GG can beat SEE on defence. In fleets Exe can drop to Finalizer, Prof and Levi can both be beaten by Empire. You aren’t actually showing anything that makes your point.

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2456990" wrote:

"KwikShotaAce;c-2456966" wrote:
I already told you.
The average GP of the ACTIVE players were 2 million more GP. The weakest participant on THEIR team was 2 million stronger than OUR weakest. Idk what else you want. I've answered your question..and you keep saying I'm avoiding it. Look...idk how else to tell you....their list of GLs had the entire guild had 50 of one gl...48 of another and mid 40s of the rest.
Not everyone in our guild has any of one GL...okay. I think the most is 38 of one.
Dude, your making me repeat things. The CG algorithm screwed us over.

No, all you’ve shown is guild level statistics, for all players in the guild, not only for the players who were active in the TW. Unless you’re trying to say that the screenshots above show that their 37 players who signed up had 523m GP, which is not possible in the game currently and that some of them had multiple copies of the same GL. So, once again, what was the active GP, for the players who signed up to TW, on each side? Why won’t you answer that? Which players sign up from a guild matters a lot.

On top of all of that you insist on talking just about GLs and GL fleets. Despite CGs intentions, GLs aren’t the be all to end all. You can beat LV with Fennec lead BH, Jabba falls to Aphra with a good datacron (and can be two-shot with a lot else besides), Sith empire can beat JML, Rey can go down to Trench, and GG can beat SEE on defence. In fleets Exe can drop to Finalizer, Prof and Levi can both be beaten by Empire. You aren’t actually showing anything that makes your point.

Of course gls aren't the be all stat, BUT when your competing against a guild who can place 4 walls of GLS simply because they CAN vs they want to, it doesn't matter what counter you have. We saved ALL our gls because we were severely outnumbered...and it didn't matter in the end.

Here. You wanted it. This is from their SWGOH guild account.

We're the 390 and they're the 422. Their overall guild strength is 526 million. Maybe 524...doesn't matter.

So the 17.8% GP advantage becomes 8.2%. What’s the threshold for an algorithm fail vs a fair matchup?

I dont think there is a physical number, but having severely less relic characters, GLs, and zeta is quite the disadvantage..