cheaters

"wharp;c-2401719" wrote:
yeah, It would be very light, battle outcomes (all possibilities) is already determined when you beging the fight (from the RNG algorithm), you only need to store the "path" taken (abilities used) and timestamps.

Only if their code is not ugly.

Assuming the RNG is a pseudo-random sequential generation from a single starting seed. If it is re-seeded, separately seeded, or uses another form of RNG, you would need to store the results as well.

Also you would need to store initial states for each side.

And then there is the sheer number of battles being generated.

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2401717" wrote:
Wouldn't be a lot of data

In order for it to be useful for detecting cheating? They'd have to store the state of every character in the battle, including gear levels, mods, ability levels, whether a datacron was present and what its stats are, and the result of every damage calculation, as well as what abilities were used every turn. And they'd have to do that for every single pvp battle for every single player in the game. For a single user, this isn't a lot of data - for 100 users it's not a lot of data - but for 300k+ users it gets much more significant - and then there's the matter of how long to store it. One or two days worth of data - sure, no problem - definitely not trivial, but certainly manageable - but weeks worth? months?

Did a Google. Starcraft 2 replay files are only a few hundred KB each. I'd wager they have A LOT more to keep track of there.

Back to swgoh, you don't store everything you described. You don't need to know the mods. You just need the rng seed, base stats, ability levels, and a move/target log. The game engine can recreate the outcomes upon request.

Yes, you fo need to check the log vs results. They already store the end state results. That alone may be enough to compare against. But they could easily add a battle state snapshot every 10 or 20 moves as well, I suppose.

Yes, this is not zero data to store. But, data storage is very cheap these days. The technical limitations are nonexistent. The only reason we don't have a rudimentary system in place is because it won't make CG money.

For the record, I think this would be really cool - and extremely useful for automating cheat detection - I just don't think it's as easy and 'light weight' as some of you seem to think.

Agree with herd nerfer. Dealing with the quantity - since we are talking about all pvp and not just GAC, not to mention problems that include dealing with changes to the battle algorithms (i.e. for bug fixes), it falls in the wish-list-but-not-likely column.

"Ultra;c-2401727" wrote:

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2401725" wrote:
Back to swgoh, you don't store everything you described. You don't need to know the mods. You just need the rng seed, base stats, ability levels, and a move/target log. The game engine can recreate the outcomes upon request.

CG actually gets battle logs (its how we get GAC results) but they get more information than what the GAC history shows, they get a step by step information of the battle, and it also includes the RNG seed

We know this because one of the dataminers in swgoh events server shared a battle log example that is sent after a battle concludes, and i read some of it

There was enough data that its possible CG has a sandbox environment where you can drop the JSON file and the battle simulation can be displayed

Such technology is possible to create from battle log, but the question whether CG has a battle recreation is unknown to me

This just makes me more sad that cheaters appear to prosper. It sounds like CG has the tools and data needed and just don't want to do anything with them :(

Got to GW. For any given node, if you take the same actions, you get the exact same results. At least that was the case ages ago when we had to do those fights manually.

"Darthfalco01;c-2437156" wrote:

Shard has many of us who started 2 Weeks ago. My Fleet power is 243,926, yet this player in the middle at 44,983 Fleet Power keeps popping into the #1 slot every day. At least two of us in shard have reported in game. Still nothing. Reading previous posts about 7 months of nothing makes me wonder why I bothered to take the time to report.

Honestly, cheaters are a low priority. Lots of other things are going on at CG they want done first. There's a "team" to deal with cheating, but don't expect them to get to your issue quickly. (At this point I wouldn't be surprised if CG_Leviathan was the team.)

"Darthfalco01;c-2437156" wrote:

Shard has many of us who started 2 Weeks ago. My Fleet power is 243,926, yet this player in the middle at 44,983 Fleet Power keeps popping into the #1 slot every day. At least two of us in shard have reported in game. Still nothing. Reading previous posts about 7 months of nothing makes me wonder why I bothered to take the time to report.

7 months ago they complain about nothing being done but never update the thread that something has been done

"Whatelse73;c-2437166" wrote:

"Darthfalco01;c-2437156" wrote:

Shard has many of us who started 2 Weeks ago. My Fleet power is 243,926, yet this player in the middle at 44,983 Fleet Power keeps popping into the #1 slot every day. At least two of us in shard have reported in game. Still nothing. Reading previous posts about 7 months of nothing makes me wonder why I bothered to take the time to report.

Honestly, cheaters are a low priority. Lots of other things are going on at CG they want done first. There's a "team" to deal with cheating, but don't expect them to get to your issue quickly. (At this point I wouldn't be surprised if CG_Leviathan was the team.)

source?

I have on good authority that cheating is a high priority and actively action is being taken against them