DEV POST"CG_SBCrumb;d-192437" wrote:Hi Holotable Heroes,Thank you for all your feedback on the event and for joining us as we experiment with mixing up the Territory Wars formula. This in an ongoing process that we will continue to iterate on. The Territory Wars after this one will have a different structure but we want to let you know that this something we will continue to change over time and is definitely not set in stone.Now the exciting conclusion! And the winner of the Community Poll is… BoatyMcboatFace… no that’s not right but we have the results for who you want to include in this Territory War! (Don’t worry, we removed all the bot votes for Boaty and Ugnaught.) Please note that the January Calendar has been updated and the the preview phase for this special Territory Wars event will start on January 14th. See the updated calendar DEV POST

THE ACTUAL PROBLEM WITH TW: THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GAME STRUCTURE, TIME, AND ENERGYI've liked TW since it started. The premise of it is wonderful, bringing a team dynamic to the game that's sorely missing. The other modes like raids and TB either have guilds competing internally for rewards (fun in a different way) or pulling together against a set challenge. As with any game mode, these things can get stale. None of these modes are immune from the inevitability that over time you end up running largely the same comps, the same way, over and over again. New toons, different bonuses, etc. all work to keep things fresh and prevent the game from feeling like a drain or chore.But TW is a drain and feels stale for a very distinct reason that none of the proposed or past tweaks have addressed.As someone who likes the mode and helps manage it in my guild here is the real problem:It is way too time consuming to take seriously, and becomes a drain on energy, morale, and motivation over time. This is true even if you're like me and love PvP and would probably do it without rewards - just to play the game and get bragging rights. In every other mode, from solo PvE events, Grand Arena, Arena, raids, etc. you can take these modes very seriously and play to win within time windows that fit into your real life, or that you can plan around. Trying to take TW seriously, whether for rewards or the competitive thrill, can be a 24 hour event. As someone who manages it in a competitive guild this is what it means in that context: you keep logging in to check when a territory is down, you keep rallying people to get in, the map is so expansive and so reliant on enough people having to actively participate that you are rallying people or having to dive into the game the entire 24 period offense is open. It is structurally too demanding, and de-emphasizing it as a zone of real competitive and instead making it a place of "fun" is a contradiction in the format. You have to knock down territories to keep having "fun," competition and playing the game is fun, and as a microtransation game the sense of fun is all wrapped up in building or buying things and using them. If you do that well, you get rewarded, and the rewards are disparate depending on who did it best. Creating a sense of disorder with faction bonuses (or more controversially eliminating toons from use) help deal with some of the naturally occurring staleness of any game - clearly faction bonuses that let you use new toons or shift the standard defensive/offensive logic are more popular. But none of that fun sense of disorder deals with the fact that this mode is way too demanding to sustain a high level of interest from most players over time. Even dramatically increasing the rewards would only provide a short-term activity boost that would ultimately be defeated by the fundamental flaws of the game mode. Even now, my sense is that many of the competition oriented guilds are already divided between a smaller group of TW diehards and other competitive players who take every other game mode very seriously but have lost all sense of romance about being invested in the 24 hour slog. This is not because they don't get to use their Lobot they geared two years ago anymore or because they don't think it's fair to face toons they haven't acquired. It is not even because it can be boring to battle the same comps over and over again. It's because the mode is at odds with the kind of relationship people want to their phones, their own time, and the game. HOW TO FIX ITThe structure of the event itself needs to be changed. Changes to toons and factions are important in dealing with the mundane problems that come with making a game interesting, and should continue to be discussed, experimented with, debated, etc - but TW has foundational problems in its design. No amount of toon tweaks will keep this mode alive or stem its growing dispopularity over time. I personally think it should be fixed rather than scrapped, we need a competitive teamwork mode in the game. I'm sure many people can come up with better solutions than what I'll suggest, so take it only as a template that gestures in the direction of the actual problem. 1. Use the exact same time format (24 hour preview, 24 hour defense, 24 hour offense).2. Use the exact same map with the same number of territories. 3. Have the game randomly assign members of the guild to specific groups of territories where only they can deploy, and have those same groups randomly assigned to offense territories. 4. Let the chips fall where they may and total up all the offensive and defensive points each guild has earned overall and the guild with the most wins. Ships would take a little more thought, but it wouldn't be hard to come up with something that helps achieve these goals and lets people use their fleets.All of the sudden, like every other game mode, you can log in at a specific time, spend your half an hour or hour or two hour - however somebody serious about the game already spends their time - do your battles and be done, you can schedule when you'll do it ahead of time as one may be doing with raids. No more ongoing slog within a 24 hour period. Just like every other mode. The guild as a whole can still come up with guild-wide strategies for defense, suggestions, etc. and still get be invested in how their friends battles are going. Individual rewards are still dependent on how your team mates do, and all the incentive to pull together and coordinate and have all that lovely banter is still there. All of that good stuff while maintaining the exact kind of relationship to the game and one's phone a gamer already has for every other game mode.

You don't need to do anything to keep it fresh and fun. Leave it as it is.

For doing literally the exact opposite of what the community wanted we said we liked the buffs on toons that are normally not viable not once did anyone say hmmm let’s take away toons I geared literally just for tw

lmao they closed the mega thread for Territory Wars ? ?

Shocker, revan Treya imp troopers, half of ns first order and bh not available. Absolute garbage idea, and to think you developers who apparently play the game also thought this would be the next best thing since sliced bread. What’s the next tw idea... ban all characters released since 2017?

Community Territory Wars Poll Results [MEGA]

1,349 Replies

CorwinTheHero
7 years ago
I hate this style. Ruins TW completely. People clearly don't want it, so please listen to us CG.
Skyfrager59
Seasoned Newcomer
7 years ago
So all my best toons are gone... cool, love it... NOT !
GhostTrucking
7 years ago
Lol, man if a tenth of this energy would go into brainstorming, . . . Might be on to something,
leddumika
Rising Rookie
7 years ago
I don't like this either. This change has negative taste. Like extra tax or speeding ticket.
Would have been much better / positive to vote for characters to improve. We loved the Windu/Dooku/CUP bonus. It was nice to play with them.

Giving is always better than taking away.
Guille0678
7 years ago
EA/CG you might be kidding when you said community create this TW. Majority of the community said that's the worst idea ever. 2 options, you are stupid or you need to learn how the read
UImaginaryFrien
7 years ago
This is the worst idea that developers could think of.
Mabusian45
7 years ago
The TWExit. I think we all know now that Holding a Referendum mostly results in weird and bad things.

I didn't read all of the thousands of Posts about it but some things from my side for future TWs.

1. SWGOH is a copycat game. 99% copy Teams from boards, discord Servers, etc. I wonder how many Players start learning about this an hour before preparation Phase Ends (even if we will get an ingame message on the banned chars). Could you provide us with a statistics about the number of four man Teams set on def afterwards please?
2. It's much easier to adjust to additions in forms of buffs instead of bans. This has imho nothing to do with giving or taking but with the structure of the game. It is so much easier to put a buffed char into an existing Team than to remove a char from a Team. Most Players that have Revan can probably replace him with Bastila, Yoda or GM lead but replacing the Zombie in a Sisters Team or Bossk lead in a BH Team can be much more difficult.
3. Synergies. This game is about synergies between chars. By banning Han Chewy has lost at least 30% of his value.
4. There are many People in the game, even if it's a small percentage, that work hard on finding the best combinations. Doing that in the new Scenario is virtually impossible. Please give us a Training mode where you can set up any Opponent Team (with dummy mods), choose your chars and go. This would really ease Team building in this game.
5. Maybe you should Experiment with less drastical nerfs. All plus health is lowered by 50%. All chars get -25% Efficiency. Etc. Everyone can Keep their Teams but if you decide to invest your time in Research you will get better results.
6. Introduce TW seasons of maybe two months. Keep the rules stable for The season.Give us some form of ranking that resets after the season or rewards based on total Banners or whatever.

I hope These ideas help you understand our side of the game.

P.S.: Sorry for the random upper case. Your editor did that to the text.
Hunter606060
7 years ago
Yay, Revan banned : D
LelandBishop
7 years ago
I can understand the thinking behind this... mix it up and let people delve into their rosters and all that... But it totally punishes everyone who focused on the top tier teams in the game (and in many cases spent money to do it) . If it's a one off thing I can understand the novelty... but the complete lack of communication has everyone worried. Come on, CG... talk to your player base! Any amount of communication would have helped!
LelandBishop
7 years ago
"Karlito;c-1747394" wrote:
Hi everyone,
This is my first post on these forum.
I've been playing the game for 18 months now (2.1m). Spent a couple of hundreds on it. I'm happy with collecting my toons, not seeking to be the most effective.
I don't own Revan, I don't own Traya.

But I've come here to write down that I completely disagee with this new Territory War toon banning thing.

I've looked at the banned ones and I'm not that affected by Revan and Traya bans.
But as almost anyone said on this thread, the idea is counter productive.

Worse idea I've ever seen on the game so far.

I do not expect my post to make any difference in the development process (because it's abvious that posts from most active members are not read or at least not taken into account).

Karl

More people like you need to speak up!