As usual new Grand Arena makes unhappy presents every round! Main thing of this nonsense - why I must fight in stack of 4kk GP if I had only about 2.3kk ground power? Why every time system counts my fleet power if there is no fleet battles at all??? Make some counts and you understand that this is stupid. For my GP - I must have at least 66 well equipped ground players an case that average number for this GP is 40 max +10 middle. And NO FLEET!!! I don't know, maybe make some no-commander fleet defence squads or any other way, but USE FLEET! Or at least, do not count fleet GP for only ground battles!

Your opponents at that level are in the same boat. If there’s a huge discrepancy in your character GP then complain about that, but it’s not like you’re fighting people with 4m character GP. Everyone at that level has significant ship GP.

So its ok , because its broken for everyone?So should we roll back the sith raid changes since it screwed everyone equally? Or, and hear me out here, if something isnt good, we give feedback so it can be made better. Omg no , we can't do that. We should accept whatever they give us.

"Darknesswon;c-1731117" wrote:So its ok , because its broken for everyone?So should we roll back the sith raid changes since it screwed everyone equally? Or, and hear me out here, if something isnt good, we give feedback so it can be made better. Omg no , we can't do that. We should accept whatever they give us. Huh?What do you mean it's broken? You are grouped up with 7 others who have very close total GP to you. Period. If the GP is vastly different, then put in a ticket because that might be a bug. Just because you have more ship power than they do does not mean it's broken. GA can also include ships, which is why your ship GP counts too.

"Darknesswon;c-1731117" wrote:So its ok , because its broken for everyone?So should we roll back the sith raid changes since it screwed everyone equally? Or, and hear me out here, if something isnt good, we give feedback so it can be made better. Omg no , we can't do that. We should accept whatever they give us. The only way it would be broken is if your opponent had an unfair advantage over you. If you and your opponent both have ships and are both on a level playing field, there's nothing broken about it for anybody.

"Liath;c-1731119" wrote:"Darknesswon;c-1731117" wrote:So its ok , because its broken for everyone?So should we roll back the sith raid changes since it screwed everyone equally? Or, and hear me out here, if something isnt good, we give feedback so it can be made better. Omg no , we can't do that. We should accept whatever they give us. The only way it would be broken is if your opponent had an unfair advantage over you. If you and your opponent both have ships and are both on a level playing field, there's nothing broken about it for anybody.But if u have proportionately way more fleet power than your opponent, yes it is a problem since fleets arent being used in this mode.

GA - like nonsense. Do something!

449710430e37db5
6 years ago
Start stripping mods from unused Pilots and Fleet Commander. Might be able to drop below 4M GP by the next GA.
Josh_WoLand
New Spectator
6 years ago
Didn't try to remove from fleet commander but all useless pilots already without mods. Opposite to that - I only upgrade Young Lando and his Millennium Falcon to 7* and it gives me almost 50k GP (total GP from 3* to 7* for ship and crew)... and 0 mods.
gibunnys
6 years ago
Yes, stripping mods from fleet characters to take a couple thousand points off your fleet roster is definitely the way to fix it. Much easier than just matching character power in an event that only uses characters. Brilliant.
tvsfrink
6 years ago
A couple thousand GP is irrelevant.
gibunnys
6 years ago
"TVF;c-1732213" wrote:
A couple thousand GP is irrelevant.

Sorry. Forgot to mention I was being sarcastic. A couple thousand GP off ships is irrelevant. 100,000 in characters seems relevant to me.
tvsfrink
6 years ago
Depends on your total GP and how your opponent spent their extra GP.
DarkHelmet1138
6 years ago
At 4 million gp 100k difference in character gp irrelevant. I highly doubt you'll have a mis match that is truly relevant to your match based on fleet power. I have a lot of ship GP and have still won my matches easily enough.

Most likely the reason they include total gp instead of making it only character gp when fleets aren't used, if because it is much simpler than changing the matching algorithm every ga. And it makes little difference to matchmakeing since most everyone has a similar enough percentage of their gp fleet gp.
Rath_Tarr0
6 years ago
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
At 4 million gp 100k difference in character gp irrelevant. I highly doubt you'll have a mis match that is truly relevant to your match based on fleet power. I have a lot of ship GP and have still won my matches easily enough.

At 1.5 mill it makes a big difference. I am facing opponents with up to 200k more squad GP than me, giving them around a 30% advantage in usable GP.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
Most likely the reason they include total gp instead of making it only character gp when fleets aren't used, if because it is much simpler than changing the matching algorithm every ga.

The algorithm doesn't need changing, just the input parameter source and they already calculate the relevant value.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
And it makes little difference to matchmakeing since most everyone has a similar enough percentage of their gp fleet gp.

Wrong. In my bracket it ranges from 47% - 61% squad GP or around 200,000 GP for a 700k vs 900k matchup.
DarkHelmet1138
6 years ago
"Rath_Tarr;c-1732396" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
At 4 million gp 100k difference in character gp irrelevant. I highly doubt you'll have a mis match that is truly relevant to your match based on fleet power. I have a lot of ship GP and have still won my matches easily enough.

At 1.5 mill it makes a big difference. I am facing opponents with up to 200k more squad GP than me, giving them around a 30% advantage in usable GP.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
Most likely the reason they include total gp instead of making it only character gp when fleets aren't used, if because it is much simpler than changing the matching algorithm every ga.

The algorithm doesn't need changing, just the input parameter source and they already calculate the relevant value.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
And it makes little difference to matchmakeing since most everyone has a similar enough percentage of their gp fleet gp.

Wrong. In my bracket it ranges from 47% - 61% squad GP or around 200,000 GP for a 700k vs 900k matchup.

200k difference at 1.5 mil gp is likely an extreme case. I'm at 3 mil gp and see 50k to 100k difference on average. And it isn't a deciding factor in many of the fights. In about half, the one with lower character gp still has the advantage.
Rath_Tarr0
6 years ago
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732406" wrote:
"Rath_Tarr;c-1732396" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
At 4 million gp 100k difference in character gp irrelevant. I highly doubt you'll have a mis match that is truly relevant to your match based on fleet power. I have a lot of ship GP and have still won my matches easily enough.

At 1.5 mill it makes a big difference. I am facing opponents with up to 200k more squad GP than me, giving them around a 30% advantage in usable GP.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
Most likely the reason they include total gp instead of making it only character gp when fleets aren't used, if because it is much simpler than changing the matching algorithm every ga.

The algorithm doesn't need changing, just the input parameter source and they already calculate the relevant value.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1732349" wrote:
And it makes little difference to matchmakeing since most everyone has a similar enough percentage of their gp fleet gp.

Wrong. In my bracket it ranges from 47% - 61% squad GP or around 200,000 GP for a 700k vs 900k matchup.

200k difference at 1.5 mil gp is likely an extreme case. I'm at 3 mil gp and see 50k to 100k difference on average. And it isn't a deciding factor in many of the fights. In about half, the one with lower character gp still has the advantage.

It may be an outlier but the fact remains that people invest varying amounts in fleet and any difference is magnified at lower GP levels.

At 3 mill GP you have long since maxed out the ships you care about and your squad roster far outweighs your fleet so you don't see the problem but that doesn't mean it isn't real.

What percentage GP difference would you consider okay? 20%? 10%?

Judging by the narrow GP range of my bracket - 1,500 GP or about 0.001% - the devs want it as close as possible. Unfortunately they are using the wrong value for a GA with no fleet zones.