GA is a forgone conclusion

"Waqui;c-1778495" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;c-1778478" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1778461" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;d-195672" wrote:
The matchmaking in GA really needs improving if we are going to have closer and more interesting match-ups.

Key word: "if"

I don't believe the aim is to have very close/even match-ups. Instead of having 8 strong players/rosters in one pool and 8 weak in another (all 16 of even GP) I believe it's more fair to mix them up.

That’s the point though. Why would you want to play a game where you know the outcome before starting?

It’s the reason people are reporting a lot of inactivity. Players join and then either don’t set a defence or don’t bother to attack because they know they have no chance of winning.

Nobody is having any fun in the above scenario and the root cause is poor match-ups.

I don't care about inactivity. If players want to join GA and then forfeit every match it's fine with me. I find GA quite fun and challenging. I most often end up with 2/3 - and on rare occasions 3/3. This corresponds well to how I perceive my own strength: Above average, but there are still significantly stronger players out there.

Know the outcome? I rarely know the outcome beforehand. I can assume it, but I don't know it. Meeting a player with 15 more g12 characters than I is just a challenge. It motivates me to focus and strategise better (and build a better roster for next time).

If you compare the two rosters in my original example, there is no way that is ever going to be a competitive match.

Sure the weaker player should have built a much better roster but that’s not the point. There’s not fun in stomping him into the ground. When I played him he didn’t even put down one of my defensive teams and I cleared his board, on auto.

In my experience this is the norm rather than the exeception, but I appreciate I am working on a small sample size and it may different for others.

"Waqui;c-1778495" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;c-1778478" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1778461" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;d-195672" wrote:
The matchmaking in GA really needs improving if we are going to have closer and more interesting match-ups.

Key word: "if"

I don't believe the aim is to have very close/even match-ups. Instead of having 8 strong players/rosters in one pool and 8 weak in another (all 16 of even GP) I believe it's more fair to mix them up.

That’s the point though. Why would you want to play a game where you know the outcome before starting?

It’s the reason people are reporting a lot of inactivity. Players join and then either don’t set a defence or don’t bother to attack because they know they have no chance of winning.

Nobody is having any fun in the above scenario and the root cause is poor match-ups.

I don't care about inactivity. If players want to join GA and then forfeit every match it's fine with me.

You should. If a significant portion of the player base gives up, then the game starts to wither and die.

Plus, are you seriously having fun stomping a roster that is significantly weaker than yours to the point where you can wipe their board without trying?

GA is not a game mode tailored towards players with collector type rosters, it does aim much more towards those players who have been more focused on farming toons to get the legendaries (RJT, CLS, Revan, Thrawn, etc). and who focus on individual squads and toons. That is just simple fact and is probably unlikely to change

What people have done with their time and resources is reflected in their roster and their GP.

If people do wish to improve their chances in GA then they need to sit down and work out how many teams they need for their GP bracket, decide which teams they want to use, then decide which toons they want to use in those teams. Then focus on those toons.

If all those toons and teams are maxed or at least competitive, then the rest of the roster is kinda irrelevant. The sooner people start down this path, the sooner you will see results.

Just my opinion mind, as with all things YMMV

"Feefyefoefum;c-1778499" wrote:
GA is not a game mode tailored towards players with collector type rosters, it does aim much more towards those players who have been more focused on farming toons to get the legendaries (RJT, CLS, Revan, Thrawn, etc). and who focus on individual squads and toons. That is just simple fact and is probably unlikely to change

What people have done with their time and resources is reflected in their roster and their GP.

If people do wish to improve their chances in GA then they need to sit down and work out how many teams they need for their GP bracket, decide which teams they want to use, then decide which toons they want to use in those teams. Then focus on those toons.

If all those toons and teams are maxed or at least competitive, then the rest of the roster is kinda irrelevant. The sooner people start down this path, the sooner you will see results.

Just my opinion mind, as with all things YMMV

I take your point, but I disagree.

If the game had been clear about this from the start (you will be punished for farming wide) then fair enough.

However, many will have farmed wide rosters due to going after their favourites who are useless (mace windu et al).

Furthermore, I’d prefer my games to actually be competitive rather than just knowing I’m going to win or lose.

"Javick_Starage;c-1778498" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1778495" wrote:


I don't care about inactivity. If players want to join GA and then forfeit every match it's fine with me.

You should. If a significant portion of the player base gives up, then the game starts to wither and die.

You shouldn't care either.

Plus, are you seriously having fun stomping a roster that is significantly weaker than yours to the point where you can wipe their board without trying?

I'm having fun over-all, yes. I know that not all 3 matches will be easy. I will battle strong(er) opponents as well each GA. I perceive my self as being above average, but not among the very best players. Winning 2/3 most GAs corresponds very well to this. It's much more fun for me, than if I ended up on the low ranks with 0 or 1 victory only and knowing that far weaker players (with similar GP) take top rank rewards, because they are match with other weak players.

"Javick_Starage;c-1778497" wrote:

If you compare the two rosters in my original example, there is no way that is ever going to be a competitive match.

Sure the weaker player should have built a much better roster but that’s not the point. There’s not fun in stomping him into the ground. When I played him he didn’t even put down one of my defensive teams and I cleared his board, on auto.

In my experience this is the norm rather than the exeception, but I appreciate I am working on a small sample size and it may different for others.

Sample size probably isn't the issue, most likely you're an outlier yourself which results in you only facing significantly weaker opponents. Players who are at the very top or very bottom of their GP range will have mostly one sided matches.

"Javick_Starage;c-1778501" wrote:

"Feefyefoefum;c-1778499" wrote:
GA is not a game mode tailored towards players with collector type rosters, it does aim much more towards those players who have been more focused on farming toons to get the legendaries (RJT, CLS, Revan, Thrawn, etc). and who focus on individual squads and toons. That is just simple fact and is probably unlikely to change

What people have done with their time and resources is reflected in their roster and their GP.

If people do wish to improve their chances in GA then they need to sit down and work out how many teams they need for their GP bracket, decide which teams they want to use, then decide which toons they want to use in those teams. Then focus on those toons.

If all those toons and teams are maxed or at least competitive, then the rest of the roster is kinda irrelevant. The sooner people start down this path, the sooner you will see results.

Just my opinion mind, as with all things YMMV

I take your point, but I disagree.

If the game had been clear about this from the start (you will be punished for farming wide) then fair enough.

However, many will have farmed wide rosters due to going after their favourites who are useless (mace windu et al).

Furthermore, I’d prefer my games to actually be competitive rather than just knowing I’m going to win or lose.

Things within the game will change over time as it develops

Many people (myself included) farmed jawa's as it was then the only way to farm CD mods. Unitl recently they (and the Mace Windu you mention) were junk but now they do have a purpose

Peoples rosters will not be suited for every area of the game, some will not be great in GA but will be good for TB. This is a resource management game after all, the choices people have made and the choices they will NOW make about how to allocate those resources will reflect how effective their rosters will be in the areas of the game

Improvements can always be made, it just depends on how much someone wants to improve versus how much they just want to bemoan things

"Javick_Starage;c-1778501" wrote:

"Feefyefoefum;c-1778499" wrote:
GA is not a game mode tailored towards players with collector type rosters, it does aim much more towards those players who have been more focused on farming toons to get the legendaries (RJT, CLS, Revan, Thrawn, etc). and who focus on individual squads and toons. That is just simple fact and is probably unlikely to change

What people have done with their time and resources is reflected in their roster and their GP.

If people do wish to improve their chances in GA then they need to sit down and work out how many teams they need for their GP bracket, decide which teams they want to use, then decide which toons they want to use in those teams. Then focus on those toons.

If all those toons and teams are maxed or at least competitive, then the rest of the roster is kinda irrelevant. The sooner people start down this path, the sooner you will see results.

Just my opinion mind, as with all things YMMV

I take your point, but I disagree.

If the game had been clear about this from the start (you will be punished for farming wide) then fair enough.

However, many will have farmed wide rosters due to going after their favourites who are useless (mace windu et al).

Furthermore, I’d prefer my games to actually be competitive rather than just knowing I’m going to win or lose.

Saying the game hasn't been clear about this from the start is a bit disengenious imo. Sure, there has been some incentive to build a broad roster, but it has always paid off to have a focussed roster, especially for pvp.
Having alot of fluff / inflated GP isn't that big of an issue as long as you've also got the right teams to be competative. It's the collector type player that really suffers with the current matchmaking, but you can't really expect a collector type player to do well in competative game modes.
I think people are mostly using it as an excuse for not performing better in GA.

"leef;c-1778524" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;c-1778501" wrote:

"Feefyefoefum;c-1778499" wrote:
GA is not a game mode tailored towards players with collector type rosters, it does aim much more towards those players who have been more focused on farming toons to get the legendaries (RJT, CLS, Revan, Thrawn, etc). and who focus on individual squads and toons. That is just simple fact and is probably unlikely to change

What people have done with their time and resources is reflected in their roster and their GP.

If people do wish to improve their chances in GA then they need to sit down and work out how many teams they need for their GP bracket, decide which teams they want to use, then decide which toons they want to use in those teams. Then focus on those toons.

If all those toons and teams are maxed or at least competitive, then the rest of the roster is kinda irrelevant. The sooner people start down this path, the sooner you will see results.

Just my opinion mind, as with all things YMMV

I take your point, but I disagree.

If the game had been clear about this from the start (you will be punished for farming wide) then fair enough.

However, many will have farmed wide rosters due to going after their favourites who are useless (mace windu et al).

Furthermore, I’d prefer my games to actually be competitive rather than just knowing I’m going to win or lose.

Saying the game hasn't been clear about this from the start is a bit disengenious imo. Sure, there has been some incentive to build a broad roster, but it has always paid off to have a focussed roster, especially for pvp.
Having alot of fluff / inflated GP isn't that big of an issue as long as you've also got the right teams to be competative. It's the collector type player that really suffers with the current matchmaking, but you can't really expect a collector type player to do well in competative game modes.
I think people are mostly using it as an excuse for not performing better in GA.

True enough but I think GA exacerbates the penalties for this.

For example in the past you could have invested very heavily in one team for arena and then started to go for a wider roster without much notice.

To put it another way it seems a bit daft that there’s now no reason to farm a lot of the characters that are in the stores. Actually, it’s better not to, you’ll be punished for it heavily in GA.

To make things worse it means you will be heavily punished for taking a gamble on a new meta. Droids and general grevious would be a great example

Or how about jango fett? At one point he was top of arena and could take down traya. That lasted about a week. Now, you’d be better off running a bossk lead without him in most cases.

It takes a long time to farm and gear characters in this game. Punishing players for this seems unfair. It will exacerbate pay to win.

"Javick_Starage;c-1778548" wrote:

"leef;c-1778524" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;c-1778501" wrote:

"Feefyefoefum;c-1778499" wrote:
GA is not a game mode tailored towards players with collector type rosters, it does aim much more towards those players who have been more focused on farming toons to get the legendaries (RJT, CLS, Revan, Thrawn, etc). and who focus on individual squads and toons. That is just simple fact and is probably unlikely to change

What people have done with their time and resources is reflected in their roster and their GP.

If people do wish to improve their chances in GA then they need to sit down and work out how many teams they need for their GP bracket, decide which teams they want to use, then decide which toons they want to use in those teams. Then focus on those toons.

If all those toons and teams are maxed or at least competitive, then the rest of the roster is kinda irrelevant. The sooner people start down this path, the sooner you will see results.

Just my opinion mind, as with all things YMMV

I take your point, but I disagree.

If the game had been clear about this from the start (you will be punished for farming wide) then fair enough.

However, many will have farmed wide rosters due to going after their favourites who are useless (mace windu et al).

Furthermore, I’d prefer my games to actually be competitive rather than just knowing I’m going to win or lose.

Saying the game hasn't been clear about this from the start is a bit disengenious imo. Sure, there has been some incentive to build a broad roster, but it has always paid off to have a focussed roster, especially for pvp.
Having alot of fluff / inflated GP isn't that big of an issue as long as you've also got the right teams to be competative. It's the collector type player that really suffers with the current matchmaking, but you can't really expect a collector type player to do well in competative game modes.
I think people are mostly using it as an excuse for not performing better in GA.

True enough but I think GA exacerbates the penalties for this.

For example in the past you could have invested very heavily in one team for arena and then started to go for a wider roster without much notice.

To put it another way it seems a bit daft that there’s now no reason to farm a lot of the characters that are in the stores. Actually, it’s better not to, you’ll be punished for it heavily in GA.

To make things worse it means you will be heavily punished for taking a gamble on a new meta. Droids and general grevious would be a great example

Or how about jango fett? At one point he was top of arena and could take down traya. That lasted about a week. Now, you’d be better off running a bossk lead without him in most cases.

It takes a long time to farm and gear characters in this game. Punishing players for this seems unfair. It will exacerbate pay to win.

I don't see it as heavily punishing. It doesn't work in your favour, but that's about it.