Galactic Power is not a fit way to match make guilds for the Territory War - it's an outdated system that doesn't take into account the extreme strength of GLs relative to their GP or even make allowances for Relics.For example ... My Baze Malbus is 6*, g8, 3 A Mods, 3 C Mods; his GP is 11,373. My GL Rey has a GP of 49,743.According to match-making purely based on GP, five copies of my Baze Malbus is a greater asset than my GL Rey.Now imagine if one guild had no copies of Malbus and 10 copies of my GL Rey and another guild had no GL Reys but 50 copies of my Malbus.All other things being equal, the GP values would match and they would be considered a good match for each other.Does anyone REALLY believe that would be a fair fight?Galactic Power is not enough for matchmaking anymore, it needs updating to take into account the new mechanics in the game.

"Stenun;c-2250580" wrote:"Kyno;c-2250577" wrote:If a guild has 10 GLs of any type, they are also carrying 10x the GP of the required toons for that GL. That is part of the balance, and not all the required toons are really useful. I did specify "all other things being equal". So both guilds have all the required toons but one guild just haven't unlocked their GLs yet....That is a bad tactic by the team without the GLs. Developing your roster in a poor fashion will have consequences, but it's also something any player can develop through.Making a very specific situation to have matchmaking seem worse than it is (in this particular circumstance) doesnt really portray the whole picture.

"Stenun;d-244080" wrote:For example ... My Baze Malbus is 6*, g8, 3 A Mods, 3 C Mods; his GP is 11,373. My GL Rey has a GP of 49,743.According to match-making purely based on GP, five copies of my Baze Malbus is a greater asset than my GL Rey.Now imagine if one guild had no copies of Malbus and 10 copies of my GL Rey and another guild had no GL Reys but 50 copies of my Malbus.All other things being equal, the GP values would match and they would be considered a good match for each other.Does anyone REALLY believe that would be a fair fight?Even fight? No. Fair fight? Yes. One guild built stronger rosters than the other and earned their advantage.

"Stenun;c-2250630" wrote:"CCyrilS;c-2250625" wrote:"Stenun;c-2250612" wrote:"All other things being equal" ... it's right there in the OP.Never mind. I don't know why I expected this conversation to go any differently.Because all other things can't be equal in this situation. If a guild has made the mistake of gearing up things other than GLs, then the balance is still there, just not in your favor. You can't lack GLs AND have everything else be equal. The balance is NOT there because GP isn't balanced.That's my whole point.You can't say "well if this grossly powerful thing scored the same as this weak thing then the balance is still there".Just because they score the same does NOT mean they are balanced.That's my whole point.Your idea of balanced is wrong. It doesn't mean equal in usefulness. The idea is not to match so that everyone has a 50/50 chance of winning everytime. The idea is to match so that the better guild wins.

maybe the matchmaking should take into account mods too. And player ability and knowledge.

"Gifafi;c-2250640" wrote:maybe the matchmaking should take into account mods too. And player ability and knowledge. Even better, AI could control both sides and ensure a tie everytime.

Galactic Power is a broken way to run the matchmaking

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GifafiTho
4 years ago
50 bazes can beat one rey, if we want to continue that anaLOLgy
Stenun
4 years ago
"Gifafi;c-2250574" wrote:
50 bazes can beat one rey, if we want to continue that anaLOLgy

I didn't compare 50 Bazes to one Rey.
I asked if 50 six star g8 Bazes were as powerful as 10 fully upgraded GL Reys?
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Stenun;d-244080" wrote:
Galactic Power is not a fit way to match make guilds for the Territory War - it's an outdated system that doesn't take into account the extreme strength of GLs relative to their GP or even make allowances for Relics.

For example ...
My Baze Malbus is 6*, g8, 3 A Mods, 3 C Mods; his GP is 11,373. My GL Rey has a GP of 49,743.
According to match-making purely based on GP, five copies of my Baze Malbus is a greater asset than my GL Rey.
Now imagine if one guild had no copies of Malbus and 10 copies of my GL Rey and another guild had no GL Reys but 50 copies of my Malbus.
All other things being equal, the GP values would match and they would be considered a good match for each other.

Does anyone REALLY believe that would be a fair fight?

Galactic Power is not enough for matchmaking anymore, it needs updating to take into account the new mechanics in the game.

If a guild has 10 GLs of any type, they are also carrying 10x the GP of the required toons for that GL. That is part of the balance, and not all the required toons are really useful.
Stenun
4 years ago
"Kyno;c-2250577" wrote:

If a guild has 10 GLs of any type, they are also carrying 10x the GP of the required toons for that GL. That is part of the balance, and not all the required toons are really useful.

I did specify "all other things being equal". So both guilds have all the required toons but one guild just haven't unlocked their GLs yet.

The point is that GP is not an accurate way of comparing the worth and strength of characters to each other and thus when that imbalance is amplified across 50 players v 50 players, it gets even worse.

Either GP needs a massive overhaul to be more accurate for comparing each character or the matchmaking system needs to take more into account than just GP.
It simply doesn't work as is.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Stenun;c-2250580" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2250577" wrote:

If a guild has 10 GLs of any type, they are also carrying 10x the GP of the required toons for that GL. That is part of the balance, and not all the required toons are really useful.

I did specify "all other things being equal". So both guilds have all the required toons but one guild just haven't unlocked their GLs yet.

...

That is a bad tactic by the team without the GLs. Developing your roster in a poor fashion will have consequences, but it's also something any player can develop through.

Making a very specific situation to have matchmaking seem worse than it is (in this particular circumstance) doesnt really portray the whole picture.
Stenun
4 years ago
"Kyno;c-2250581" wrote:
"Stenun;c-2250580" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2250577" wrote:

If a guild has 10 GLs of any type, they are also carrying 10x the GP of the required toons for that GL. That is part of the balance, and not all the required toons are really useful.

I did specify "all other things being equal". So both guilds have all the required toons but one guild just haven't unlocked their GLs yet.

...

That is a bad tactic by the team without the GLs. Developing your roster in a poor fashion will have consequences, but it's also something any player can develop through.

Making a very specific situation to have matchmaking seem worse than it is (in this particular circumstance) doesnt really portray the whole picture.

I know it's a bad tactic, it's an analogy.
All analogies fall down if you put them under too much scrutiny. Even saying something like "this guy is as good an actor as Humphrey Bogart" falls down when someone points out that Bogart is dead and therefore his acting range is somewhat limited now.
The point of an analogy is not a literal exact comparison.
So I think focusing solely on the specifics of my analogy without addressing the wider issues it was illustrating is rather a waste of both our times.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Stenun;c-2250580" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2250577" wrote:

If a guild has 10 GLs of any type, they are also carrying 10x the GP of the required toons for that GL. That is part of the balance, and not all the required toons are really useful.

..

The point is that GP is not an accurate way of comparing the worth and strength of characters to each other and thus when that imbalance is amplified across 50 players v 50 players, it gets even worse.

Either GP needs a massive overhaul to be more accurate for comparing each character or the matchmaking system needs to take more into account than just GP.
It simply doesn't work as is.

It is not meant to be a representation of the power of a toon. Its meant to be a representation of how much someone has invested in thier roster (gear, abilities, which toons picked, ext.) This allows players to make choices on where they put the resources they have and have the choices they made shine though.

It actually works quite well for how simple of a system it is. But there are other issues, GP is not really one of them.
Stenun
4 years ago
"Kyno;c-2250584" wrote:

It is not meant to be a representation of the power of a toon. Its meant to be a representation of how much someone has invested in thier roster

But it doesn't work for that, either.
All it takes is two equal players opening a Chormium Mega-Pack and one player getting a brand new character neither of them previously had and the other player getting a duplicate.
Suddenly, the first player has more GP despite them both having invested the same in their rosters.

So no, GP doesn't even give that much of an accurate depiction of investment.
Waquira
4 years ago
"Stenun;d-244080" wrote:

For example ...
My Baze Malbus is 6*, g8, 3 A Mods, 3 C Mods; his GP is 11,373. My GL Rey has a GP of 49,743.
According to match-making purely based on GP, five copies of my Baze Malbus is a greater asset than my GL Rey.
Now imagine if one guild had no copies of Malbus and 10 copies of my GL Rey and another guild had no GL Reys but 50 copies of my Malbus.
All other things being equal, the GP values would match and they would be considered a good match for each other.

Does anyone REALLY believe that would be a fair fight?

Even fight? No. Fair fight? Yes. One guild built stronger rosters than the other and earned their advantage.
GifafiTho
4 years ago
"Stenun;c-2250575" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2250574" wrote:
50 bazes can beat one rey, if we want to continue that anaLOLgy

I didn't compare 50 Bazes to one Rey.
I asked if 50 six star g8 Bazes were as powerful as 10 fully upgraded GL Reys?

yeah, I already said it was a bad analogy

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