Gear Crunch

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

The Gear Crunch and Conquest is my biggest concern.. The amount of gear and Relic materials DO NOT equal to 2 weeks of work. But that's the only source of r8 Areomagnifers I currently have access to.. CPit is still unbeatable for our guild..

Sure would be nice if CG could explain how the nerfs will affect their newest and best content in years... So that we can PROBABLY still beat it with the rosters we have and continue to invest in, PROBABLY..

"Kyno;c-2286579" wrote:

"SotaDraken;c-2286576" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

The Gear Crunch and Conquest is my biggest concern.. The amount of gear and Relic materials DO NOT equal to 2 weeks of work. But that's the only source of r8 Areomagnifers I currently have access to.. CPit is still unbeatable for our guild..

Sure would be nice if CG could explain how the nerfs will affect their newest and best content in years... So that we can PROBABLY still beat it with the rosters we have and continue to invest in, PROBABLY..

You may be undervaluing your only source of an important material.

We have changes coming, so how this will play out remains to be seen....

you are conflating value for opportunity

r8 Areos are only available once a week and/or once a month You know this..

how about instead of defending a restricted gated material that doesn't add player confidence in the expected power creep to R9, you show the source or link of these "changes" to the Gear Crunch instead of just telling us to be patient..

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

You dont need to stay competitive, you WANT to stay competitive. There is a difference.

GAC you will WANT as many GLs as you can get to try to get an advantage and ensure victory.

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

The flaw there is you have to stay competitive to be competitive in arena's - all three of them. You also generally need to be competitive to stay in a decent guild as you get kicked if you're not competitive and become a drag.

The game flat out is not fun much more than a month or so when you realize without serious investment of time, money or both, you'll never get anywhere.

the point of the shard system was, to an extent, to keep that huge divide from happening. New people would stay happier longer, get invested and want to continue. Through in GA and that gets much harder because you start having to compete across the whole player base even if it is segregated by GP.

The larger point being, by constantly upping the requirements - it's not progress, it's not an improvement, it's inflation. And that inflation is becoming a barrier to new people. Requiring R8? You basically have to be in a very good guild to get anyone to R8. There's not much chance at getting up to that level solo. And now that's required for 2 GL's and 1 capital ship. Which are what will become the META you'll need to target to stay competitive.

I'm sorry, but you absolutely have to stay competitive if you're going to stick it out in this game very long. I get you want to keep the spenders spending,. Take away them and the game goes away. However are there enough spenders that the game still survives if you drive out all the non-spenders? Part of keeping it going is keeping everyone happy.

"Kyno;c-2286597" wrote:

"SotaDraken;c-2286595" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286579" wrote:

"SotaDraken;c-2286576" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

The Gear Crunch and Conquest is my biggest concern.. The amount of gear and Relic materials DO NOT equal to 2 weeks of work. But that's the only source of r8 Areomagnifers I currently have access to.. CPit is still unbeatable for our guild..

Sure would be nice if CG could explain how the nerfs will affect their newest and best content in years... So that we can PROBABLY still beat it with the rosters we have and continue to invest in, PROBABLY..

You may be undervaluing your only source of an important material.

We have changes coming, so how this will play out remains to be seen....

you are conflating value for opportunity

r8 Areos are only available once a week and/or once a month You know this..

how about instead of defending a restricted gated material that doesn't add player confidence in the expected power creep to R9, you show the source or link of these "changes" to the Gear Crunch instead of just telling us to be patient..

If you think we have the exact same income despite more events being added, that give us stuff, no amount of linking will help.

you said "changes" were coming.. if you refuse to back up your claim, please retract your statement.

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

You dont need to stay competitive, you WANT to stay competitive. There is a difference.

GAC you will WANT as many GLs as you can get to try to get an advantage and ensure victory.

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

But you NEED to stay competitive to stay successful in the PvP modes. And for the current meta, that brings us back to the gear crunch issue. And if you NEED the current meta to stay competitive (which seems like it will be requiring R9 in the future), with all the prerequisites, the gear crunch seriously needs to be addressed.

"Kyno;c-2286634" wrote:

"Xcien;c-2286624" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

You dont need to stay competitive, you WANT to stay competitive. There is a difference.

GAC you will WANT as many GLs as you can get to try to get an advantage and ensure victory.

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

But you NEED to stay competitive to stay successful in the PvP modes. And for the current meta, that brings us back to the gear crunch issue. And if you NEED the current meta to stay competitive (which seems like it will be requiring R9 in the future), with all the prerequisites, the gear crunch seriously needs to be addressed.

I am pretty sure that you WANT to stay competitive, and there is a wide range to what that means, which effects the timeline in which a player will personally define as "ok" to stay at the desired level.

The gear crunch does need to be addressed, but there is probably a section of this that needs to be addressed by what a player thinks they should get in what timeline, because even if it is addressed, that part may still not be "fast enough" and will still be blamed on the gear economy.

Well, for starters they could make toons NOT take 400+ kyro's (i'm directly thinking of MM at the moment who had what? 4 50/50's in the lead up to G12 and 100 more to get G13). That's something directly (and flat out intentionally) creating a gear crunch. older characters requiring 200-250 lvl 3 carbanti's while we have 1500 lvl 4's in the bank. Possibly putting usable gear in the tank raid, etc. There are a number of easy things to be done to lighten the load. They choose not to. And you know, it makes sense the choose not to because they intentionally created the problem in the first place. I also fail to see where R9 makes any sense in the foreseable future when i'd wager 95%+ of the player based doesn't have a single R8.

"Ravens1113;c-2286642" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286634" wrote:

"Xcien;c-2286624" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

You dont need to stay competitive, you WANT to stay competitive. There is a difference.

GAC you will WANT as many GLs as you can get to try to get an advantage and ensure victory.

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

But you NEED to stay competitive to stay successful in the PvP modes. And for the current meta, that brings us back to the gear crunch issue. And if you NEED the current meta to stay competitive (which seems like it will be requiring R9 in the future), with all the prerequisites, the gear crunch seriously needs to be addressed.

I am pretty sure that you WANT to stay competitive, and there is a wide range to what that means, which effects the timeline in which a player will personally define as "ok" to stay at the desired level.

The gear crunch does need to be addressed, but there is probably a section of this that needs to be addressed by what a player thinks they should get in what timeline, because even if it is addressed, that part may still not be "fast enough" and will still be blamed on the gear economy.

Again it’s not a want, it’s a need because being competitive ties directly into crystal and other resource income.

And, if you can't be competitive, there's no fun because anything outside of standard events will get you hammered.

To be successful, a game has to be fun for everyone playing. You keep backloading it becomes less fun for more and more people.

"Kyno;c-2286634" wrote:

"Xcien;c-2286624" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

You dont need to stay competitive, you WANT to stay competitive. There is a difference.

GAC you will WANT as many GLs as you can get to try to get an advantage and ensure victory.

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

But you NEED to stay competitive to stay successful in the PvP modes. And for the current meta, that brings us back to the gear crunch issue. And if you NEED the current meta to stay competitive (which seems like it will be requiring R9 in the future), with all the prerequisites, the gear crunch seriously needs to be addressed.

The gear crunch does need to be addressed, but there is probably a section of this that needs to be addressed by what a player thinks they should get in what timeline, because even if it is addressed, that part may still not be "fast enough" and will still be blamed on the gear economy.

There is always a section of players that want something for nothing in every mobile game.

That's not this discussion.

Frankly, to equate that with the honest discussion of dealing with this Gear Crunch self-imposed by CG is just trying to distract the discussion at best and disingenuous at worst and not helping this discussion to progress.

Let's get back to addressing the real concerns of the choke points that affect every player, from new to day-one players...

I don't think anyone with a reasonable mind set would say they wanted to be able to G13 and Relic everything. The gates make sense - up to a point -but IMO they are in the wrong places at the moment.

Move the gear crunch away from gear 8 / 9 to G11 and I'd be fine with that. It kicks in far too early at the moment.

"Kyno;c-2286634" wrote:

"Xcien;c-2286624" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2286572" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286358" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2286336" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2286297" wrote:

Did I miss something? You keep saying “options”. No kyno, their recent nerfs to non GL counters and explicit statement that they don’t want non GL counters bearing GL’s makes it a demand. A demand that if we are to stay competitive in arena, GAC, TW and possibly even conquest, we need as many GL’s as we can get.

You don’t need as many GLs as you can get to stay competitive in arena, gac, tw, or conquest. In arena you need to follow meta, so far getting 1 every 2 GLs was enough to be very confortable (so far). In gac there is a matchmaking system; if you have an efficient roster with zero or one GL, you don’t need an extra one to stay competitive; you can stop farming altogether and you’ll stay as competitive as you are now for a long time. As Conquest could be finished, you didn’t need as many as you can get. You need enough to finish it. So far, 2 seemed quite enough, maybe even 1 was (so far. It doesn’t seem far fetch what we’ll need more later on, via a mythic difficulty or something).

So to stay competitive in arena you NEED one of the new GL’s when each pair is released.

With the nerfs coming you NEED more GL’s to beat an opponent who has more since non GL counters are being systematically nerfed. So no, once the nerfs go into effect, with no changes to matchmaking, you need to get as many GL’s as you can. Beating GL’s in conquest will now require GL’s as well with the changes

You dont need to stay competitive, you WANT to stay competitive. There is a difference.

GAC you will WANT as many GLs as you can get to try to get an advantage and ensure victory.

Conquest, much like arena, as long as you have a good roster and the current meta, you are probably fine.

But you NEED to stay competitive to stay successful in the PvP modes. And for the current meta, that brings us back to the gear crunch issue. And if you NEED the current meta to stay competitive (which seems like it will be requiring R9 in the future), with all the prerequisites, the gear crunch seriously needs to be addressed.

I am pretty sure that you WANT to stay competitive, and there is a wide range to what that means, which effects the timeline in which a player will personally define as "ok" to stay at the desired level.

The gear crunch does need to be addressed, but there is probably a section of this that needs to be addressed by what a player thinks they should get in what timeline, because even if it is addressed, that part may still not be "fast enough" and will still be blamed on the gear economy.

Pretty sure most would say it’s a NEED, based off the crystals and resources they get from it.
And yes, the gear crunch should be addressed, but not by making all new characters need an extensive amount of a new gear peace.