Part of @EA_Jesse's patch notes includes the following: To incentivize players to remain in one guild and mitigate some known exploits associated with Guild Switching, there is now a 48 hour cooldown period where a player will not receive Raid rewards for a Raid completed within 48 hours of leaving the previous Guild.So, guild hopping and alt farming has been officially described as a "known exploit." We all know that EA has punished exploiters in the past, as is currently suspending players who collected multiple raid rewards (even after those players received confirmation they could collect multiple raid rewards).Yet we also know that guild hoppers have never been punished, and that they plan to continue to guild hop and complete 6 or more raids per week. And while they claim that they received confirmation from the devs that guild hopping was OK, we know that receiving confirmation is not preventing the current round of suspensions. So my question is whether those who continue to guild hop and alt farm will be punished for taking advantage of this "known exploit."

No, they won't ban those that did it in the past, the would lose the rest of their whales. They probably already lost 70% of the player base.

Ironically, it appear reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Yes, devs may have given the OK to guild hopping in the past: I acknowledged that. Just like they gave the OK to collecting multiple guild rewards. Their prior stance doesn't change the fact they are now calling it an exploit. And certain guilds are planning on continuing to use this exploit to raid 6 or more times per week.If your stance is that guilds and players shouldn't be retroactively punished for doing this, as it wasn't considered an exploit at the time, then that's fine. But it has now been described as an exploit, and those who employ it are, buy definition, exploiters.By the way, I'm not sure how sound the "everyone can do it, so it's OK" logic is. This would certainly seem to have applied to the Vader exploit, yet those who did go down that path were punished.

"Scruffy_Looking;600814" wrote:Ironically, it appear reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Yes, devs may have given the OK to guild hopping in the past: I acknowledged that. Just like they gave the OK to collecting multiple guild rewards. Their prior stance doesn't change the fact they are now calling it an exploit. And certain guilds are planning on continuing to use this exploit to raid 6 or more times per week.If your stance is that guilds and players shouldn't be retroactively punished for doing this, as it wasn't considered an exploit at the time, then that's fine. But it has now been described as an exploit, and those who employ it are, buy definition, exploiters.By the way, I'm not sure how sound the "everyone can do it, so it's OK" logic is. This would certainly seem to have applied to the Vader exploit, yet those who did go down that path were punished.He never said that guild hopping is an exploit but that there are exploits that happen with guild hopping. That's what the other guy with the pictures was trying to explain to you.

"some known exploits" may in fact not be guildhopping at all.

You forgot to quote the original post that got closed where Naecabonon got him to give it the go ahead and NRAJ even said himself it was sketchy. It was a shady back room deal which I'm sure NRAJ probably regrets. Guild hopping is fine but not for extra rewards. It's called a game mechanic exploit and the only reason people have got away with it is because NRAJ didn't see it like that at the time.

Guild hopping is now officially associated with known exploits: will exploiters be punished?

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ghallmark814
10 years ago
"Known exploits" might be something VERY different than "Guild Hopping" and\or "Mercing" :)
pac0naut
10 years ago
"FebaBott;600869" wrote:
"Scruffy_Looking;600814" wrote:

My stance at this point is that anything that comes out of CG or EA 's mouth is complete drivel at this point. I simply made my humorous post because it appeared you were claiming that nothing offical was said, only people claiming to have gotten golden eggs from the dev team or something.

My comprehension is fine, I tend to skim, get annoyed and try as I might, I can't focus to actually read while I'm annoyed~

Though you have to admit, Norris Fonzy was funny.

Hey all, let's not forget that Jesse said GW was going to take less time, it got easier and Salera waxed that option. Let's not forget that Kozi said it was okay to collect extra rewards and Jesse nixed that (unless they're two unrelated issues in the last 24 hours). Oh, and of course, there's what was said about the mods vs what we got, speedy characters hitting weaker vs slower hitting harder..........what else am I missing?

I think this is getting to be a right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
lmSoBasic
10 years ago
"Whatamidoing;600884" wrote:
This fix eliminates mercs from parachuting into guilds to help finish raids, which is a win-win for both the guild and the mercs.

I know that it will functionally eliminate most mercs, but I assumed this was just an unavoidable consequence of their 'fix,' and not the intended target of it. And I know that it's still possible to alt farm (though by a slightly different procedure than you suggest, given the 150k coin cap), but the fix makes it slightly more difficult.
demolitica
10 years ago

"BentWookiee;600887" wrote:
"Known exploits" might be something VERY different than "Guild Hopping" and\or "Mercing" :)

Don't pretend you guys don't know. You're the only ones doing it other than mercs and that other guild.
demolitica
10 years ago
All the others are appropriate to the level of progression required. Why should someone who just started the game with 1 7 star toon be getting the same rewards as someone who has multiple squads and been playing months? The point of the different tiers is so that all levels of progression and guild composition can raid and get rewards for doing so. The stronger you are the better the rewards. Makes sense to me that to win you have to put in the work first or be part of a strong guild.
BlowinLoadz
10 years ago
"Scruffy_Looking;600886" wrote:
"MBL_66;600824" wrote:

He never said that guild hopping is an exploit but that there are exploits that happen with guild hopping. That's what the other guy with the pictures was trying to explain to you.

OK, I'm genuinely curious: what are these known exploits associated with guild hopping, and that are addressed by a 48-hour cooldown? I'm sure it should be OK to share them now, since the 48-hour cooldown will have addressed these exploits.
I think for most people the reasonable conclusion was that alt farming and guild hopping itself was the "known exploit" alluded to, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinion.

No there was at least one actual exploit that was discovered with guild hopping but I believe discussing there here is against the tos
emvedebe
10 years ago
So now that we have confirmed its not "officially an exploit" can we close this topic?
demolitica
10 years ago
Nah, it's always good to highlight that exploits are exploits, especially when they allow people over twice as much loot as others. Not like being called exploiters upsets these people, they don't care what others think as long as they get away with it. That's all that matters to them.
lmSoBasic
10 years ago
"leef;600963" wrote:
So now that we have confirmed its not "officially an exploit" can we close this topic?

Have we confirmed that? All that has been 'confirmed' is that at one point in the past the developers indicated it wasn't an exploit (just like they confirmed that claiming multiple raid rewards in the past couple of days isn't an exploit). Of course, since that time they've made it more and more difficult to guild hop, and have now implied that guild hopping and alt farming is an exploit.
demolitica
10 years ago
I think this could lead to a lengthy debate but all have been echo'd in the wikipedia on video game exploits especially NRAJs post. Just read it. There is no arguement about it. Definitely an exploit, being patched and obviously not adopted as a good thing for the game by the devs.

This is why...

http://i.imgur.com/ZNXBmsV.jpg

compared to anyone on my shard that is over twice as many raids.

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