What's up with all the platoons that require pay to play characters? My guild is a strictly free to play guild. We are all players that just don't have extra money laying around to spend like a lot of guilds players do. We simply don't have it. So, as it stands, it is impossible for us to fill certain platoons in territory battles. Today, for example, in the north ship territory, 5 out of the 6 platoons require at minimum 1 pay to play ship. So it's impossible for us to get to even level 1 for the strafing run. Which makes even attempting 1 platoon obsolete for us. You've completely taken an entire section of the game out of it for us because of your greed. Shame on you, EA!

I feel like we shouldn’t be expecting anything different from EA at this point

This has been clearly stated since they made the change a while ago, to have the first 3 phases with fixed platoons.The later 3 phases can have anyone available in game. This is nothing new and has been this way for quite some time.You can develop and build to complete TB without any platoons, its called progress. Everyone deals with it, I dont think as many guild fill platoons as you seem to think. As with every game mod paying makes it easier/quicker, but by no means locks anyone out of any game mode.

"Kyno;c-1639475" wrote:You can develop and build to complete TB without any platoons, its called progress. Everyone deals with it, I dont think as many guild fill platoons as you seem to think. As with every game mod paying makes it easier/quicker, but by no means locks anyone out of any game mode.This is pretty deceiving. We had a couple days last time with 0/6 and day 5 was all 2/6 (for a 175M guild, btw), and day 6 was absolutely brutal. Lots of full synergized g12 teams not completing the missions.Even though we all KNOW this is going to happen, it doesn't change the fact that it's super un-fun and it's probably the worst thing CG has ever done to this game. But it's cool, because we all know they don't care.

"StarSon;c-1639477" wrote:"Kyno;c-1639475" wrote:You can develop and build to complete TB without any platoons, its called progress. Everyone deals with it, I dont think as many guild fill platoons as you seem to think. As with every game mod paying makes it easier/quicker, but by no means locks anyone out of any game mode.This is pretty deceiving. We had a couple days last time with 0/6 and day 5 was all 2/6 (for a 175M guild, btw), and day 6 was absolutely brutal. Lots of full synergized g12 teams not completing the missions.Even though we all KNOW this is going to happen, it doesn't change the fact that it's super un-fun and it's probably the worst thing CG has ever done to this game. But it's cool, because we all know they don't care.Its deceiving because you haven't done it?It is 100% true, it will take time (unless you want to $$) just like everything else in this game.I didnt care for the change when they made it, but it is what it is. Develop past it, just like all the other currently difficult content.There are teams out there that can go 5/6 easy without platoons, you also don't have to go 6/6 yo win TB. Just develop a roster naturally over time to make up for the missed points in GP.

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Waquira
7 years ago
@Kyno, please note, that I never stated, that I don't accept, that new characters are required in platoons. I'm perfectly fine with that.

Please also note, that I nevwr claimed, that you're required to pay anything at all for this game. I am f2p myself and enjoying it, and I'm perfectly fine with paying players having an advantage.

I'm discussing your statement about 'giving it time', which is false. Time will never help you complete all platoons, as long as new toons are released which raises the bar every time. As long as new toons are released and go into platoons only money or extreme luck will help you fill all platoons — time will not.
navyguy50
7 years ago
"Kyno;c-1641117" wrote:
"TimmyHutch;c-1640978" wrote:
Also, Kyno , I'm not trying to be disrespectful toward you, but just because you don't care about platoons, or don't enjoy them, or hell, maybe you actually do enjoy them, but just because you feel a certain way towards them, doesn't mean everybody else feels the same way you do. I enjoy the platoon aspect of the game. If platoons were a stand alone aspect of this game, I would enjoy it even without TB.

I have never said anyone does or should feel the same way I do about platoons.

I think they are a great element of the TB forcing people to have to theory craft around "a problem".

All I am pointing out is that when it comes to ones you cant fill, which will always exist in the current structure, the best mindset is to work on solving the problem you can solve. How do you make up the points? What teams can get you the best run possible?

I'm not going to get hung up on a game mechanic that I dont like. I'm not going to get hung up on what the company has done to release whatever toons we will need in the future to do stuff. Other people may and that's understandable, but there are ways around it and it takes time. Just like everything else in this game, you can overcome the problem through development. Platoons are just an element of TB, and they are not necessary, it's an advantage people who $$ get.

You're not hearing me though. I don't want to go around platoons. I like platoons. It's an enjoyable part of the game for me. But I'm unable to participate in platoons because of how they run it. They took out an enjoyable part of the game for me.
Waquira
7 years ago
"Kyno;c-1683404" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1683400" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1683377" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1683372" wrote:
"Altazarus;c-1683262" wrote:
Trying to resolve the argument, let's agree on the following:

To maximize TB yield you need SOME platoons help.
To actually get max return you do not need to fill in EVERY SINGLE platoon day-in day-out.

That's already agreed. That's not the topic of this discussion. It may be in many other similar discussions, but not this one. This discussion is about the ability to fill platoons — not in order to score higher in TB, but simply to fill platoons.

Regarding your statements:
At some point you will be able to get 45*/48* without filling a single platoon. Top guilds may even be able to already (in my guild we only just got our first 45* in LS TB. We still rely on filling platoons).

Then it is simple, if you are f2p, do not expect to fill platoons. Anything that you can fill is a bonus. Filling platoons gives you an advantage, that advantage is paid for by other players.

You might want to refresh your memory about this old discussion, the topic, and previous posts by rereading it from the top.

I don't disagree with your statements here. I'm fine with the current design. It's crystal clear from our previous discussion. I don't see your point with adressing me. Please explain, if you want to get your message through to me.

You were stating that is all this discussion is about. If it is isolated and not related to those effects on TB, then there is no real discussion. Platoons are connected to TB in many ways and if you want to isolate that and just focus on the ability to fill them, the answer is simple, if you are not paying then you will not fill them.

Please do refresh your memory instead of continuing where you (/we) left the discussion more than a month ago.
If you have any new message to me afterwards, then please explain what the new thing is. If you have a message to the OP on his topic (yes, he discusses platoons isolated from scoring points in TB), then feel free to post — I'll be happy to read it. So far you didn't bring anything new today. I'm off.
NyKynoe
7 years ago
"TimmyHutch;c-1683671" wrote:
@Waqui, @Kyno doesn't care that there are actually people (myself included) who enjoy platoons as an independent aspect of the game. He doesn't understand that if platoons were an isolated aspect of this game independent of territory battles, people would play it and enjoy it. He can't comprehend someone enjoying something that he doesn't care about.

Please explain how you play a platoon, I'm very interested in seeing your idea of how this could be an independent game mode. You place toons. If those platoons have no effect anywhere, what are you describing?

I actually love the idea for platoons as an add on to anything. Using GP from unused toons to get an advantage or hinder your opponent is a great idea. They absolutely ruined platoons when they made this change and I barely pay attention to them now.
kikithezombie
7 years ago
3rd time of light side tb and my guild has only filled 1 platoon in each of the last 3 fleet territories. Every single platoon has pay to win ships in it. It has never been this bad, this has meant we have no strafing runs for the last 3 territories and can't even lower the damage of orbital bombardments in the final territory. In troop platoons we have fared much better but not as many people pay money for ships as they do on new toons. Sad.
Iy4oy4s
New Novice
7 years ago
Been that way since TB started and shall be that way until TB ends. Plan around it. Can’t expect to get end game rewards without end game toons.
NyKynoe
7 years ago
"StarSon;c-1639496" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1639490" wrote:
"StarSon;c-1639477" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1639475" wrote:
You can develop and build to complete TB without any platoons, its called progress. Everyone deals with it, I dont think as many guild fill platoons as you seem to think. As with every game mod paying makes it easier/quicker, but by no means locks anyone out of any game mode.

This is pretty deceiving. We had a couple days last time with 0/6 and day 5 was all 2/6 (for a 175M guild, btw), and day 6 was absolutely brutal. Lots of full synergized g12 teams not completing the missions.

Even though we all KNOW this is going to happen, it doesn't change the fact that it's super un-fun and it's probably the worst thing CG has ever done to this game. But it's cool, because we all know they don't care.

Its deceiving because you haven't done it?

It is 100% true, it will take time (unless you want to $$) just like everything else in this game.

I didnt care for the change when they made it, but it is what it is. Develop past it, just like all the other currently difficult content.

There are teams out there that can go 5/6 easy without platoons, you also don't have to go 6/6 yo win TB. Just develop a roster naturally over time to make up for the missed points in GP.

It's deceiving because 6/6 can't be done without *some* platoon help.

And sure, eventually we can just brute force deploy it, but in the meantime it's not fun, which I'm sure is the opposite of what CG wants, because who will spend money on something without getting something valuable in return? As it stands, I know it's not possible, so I just auto and call it a day. I'm sure that's also not what CG wants.

Yet. It cant be done yet.

And beating TB is not only about missions. There will be a point where a guild can do it on pure GP. It's just time and development. All this game is is development and strategy, TB is no different.
navyguy50
7 years ago
P.S. I don't intend to shoot you in the head. I was just making a point.
mhmacleod
7 years ago
Has anyone noticed the fact that the two ships crippling every single platoon today are all DS ships?
Isn't this unallowed? It's like they know LS only has a single Marquee ship and they made an exception for just this.
Is this what the last LSTB was cancelled/postponed for? To make platoons worse?
NyKynoe
7 years ago
"Waqui;c-1640127" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1639673" wrote:
"TimmyHutch;c-1639629" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1639475" wrote:
This has been clearly stated since they made the change a while ago, to have the first 3 phases with fixed platoons.

The later 3 phases can have anyone available in game. This is nothing new and has been this way for quite some time.

You can develop and build to complete TB without any platoons, its called progress. Everyone deals with it, I dont think as many guild fill platoons as you seem to think. As with every game mod paying makes it easier/quicker, but by no means locks anyone out of any game mode.

So because something "has been clearly stated" that makes it Ok?

I'm gonna shoot you in the head. I clearly stated it, so now it's ok.

See how that works?

There are ways around it, and it will just take time. Just like everything in this game.

That's not true. Time won't get you around it since the bar is constantly moved with every new character, which is introduced into the game. The only ways around it is paying up or having a lucky good RNG.

Nope, the bar was moved once. They stated platoons will now be filled with any character in game. From that point on, just accept you will not fill platoons unless you or your guild has a few whales and move on.

Over time we will all have average GPs high enough and good enough teams to overcome most of the waves and the point difference of missing waves and not getting the ones for closing platoons.

Also there maybe a period of time where no marquees are launched and we all have a chance to catch up.