Is F2P dying a slow death?

"zaljko_petrescu;c-1641699" wrote:
I don’t know if f2p is dying - certain feels that way in some respects - but I can say for sure that the game just somehow seems more BORING as of late. New characters being released don’t fill me with any kind of joy and to be honest evoke the opposite reaction when I think about doing a HM farm that seems to average one shard a day even when simming 7-8 battles at once... then that’s not to mention gearing them with the ridiculous stun gun etc. grind... and then G12+ pieces... :(

Yeah maybe that’s my problem. I’m just bored. Arena is super stale with mega whales whaling out on Traya. Too many toons, not enough resources. It’s becoming too much of a bore.

"Austin09370;c-1641712" wrote:

"JerrickKharr87;c-1641700" wrote:

"zaljko_petrescu;c-1641699" wrote:
I don’t know if f2p is dying - certain feels that way in some respects - but I can say for sure that the game just somehow seems more BORING as of late. New characters being released don’t fill me with any kind of joy and to be honest evoke the opposite reaction when I think about doing a HM farm that seems to average one shard a day even when simming 7-8 battles at once... then that’s not to mention gearing them with the ridiculous stun gun etc. grind... and then G12+ pieces... :(

Yeah maybe that’s my problem. I’m just bored. Arena is super stale with mega whales whaling out on Traya. Too many toons, not enough resources. It’s becoming too much of a bore.

To be fair, "whaling out on Traya' doesn't make any sense as she's FTP and many whales don't have her. It's more of the legacy players that have her because they are in stronger guilds with people who have been playing long as they have.

As far as FTP with the slow death, people have been saying that day 1. FTP is fine and will be fine. It's just that 6 month players can't expect to keep up with 2 year players for obvious reasons..

You make think it is fine and that's your opinion. The truth is the gap is slowly widening and soon will pick up more and more speed. G12 and 6 dot mods being gated behind is going to create a huge gap once the P2P get their toons equipped with them.

Soon unless your lucky enough to be on a dead shard top spots in arena and fleet will be unobtainable. Plus whatever legendary they planning on releasing and assuming the Toons needed will either be on HN or Ship HN in 6 months or so means it will be a year and half or 2 hears out before F2P has a shot at it.

So yeah I think F2P competively is dying. Slowly right now but it will pick up speed. If you are F2P I think you need to start getting your mind set to just have fun and play with your favorite star wars Toons and forget about trying to compete unless like I said you happen to be lucky on a half dead shard.

"Warp3dM1nd;c-1641729" wrote:

"Austin09370;c-1641712" wrote:

"JerrickKharr87;c-1641700" wrote:

"zaljko_petrescu;c-1641699" wrote:
I don’t know if f2p is dying - certain feels that way in some respects - but I can say for sure that the game just somehow seems more BORING as of late. New characters being released don’t fill me with any kind of joy and to be honest evoke the opposite reaction when I think about doing a HM farm that seems to average one shard a day even when simming 7-8 battles at once... then that’s not to mention gearing them with the ridiculous stun gun etc. grind... and then G12+ pieces... :(

Yeah maybe that’s my problem. I’m just bored. Arena is super stale with mega whales whaling out on Traya. Too many toons, not enough resources. It’s becoming too much of a bore.

To be fair, "whaling out on Traya' doesn't make any sense as she's FTP and many whales don't have her. It's more of the legacy players that have her because they are in stronger guilds with people who have been playing long as they have.

As far as FTP with the slow death, people have been saying that day 1. FTP is fine and will be fine. It's just that 6 month players can't expect to keep up with 2 year players for obvious reasons..

You make think it is fine and that's your opinion. The truth is the gap is slowly widening and soon will pick up more and more speed. G12 and 6 dot mods being gated behind is going to create a huge gap once the P2P get their toons equipped with them.

Soon unless your lucky enough to be on a dead shard top spots in arena and fleet will be unobtainable. Plus whatever legendary they planning on releasing and assuming the Toons needed will either be on HN or Ship HN in 6 months or so means it will be a year and half or 2 hears out before F2P has a shot at it.

So yeah I think F2P competively is dying. Slowly right now but it will pick up speed. If you are F2P I think you need to start getting your mind set to just have fun and play with your favorite star wars Toons and forget about trying to compete unless like I said you happen to be lucky on a half dead shard.

My strategy for I would say about a year now has just been to focus on ships. Seems there is less of a competitive disadvantage between whales and non whales there. There is obviously a statistical advantage to 5* vs 6* mods as they effect ship power based on the ship power calculator courtesy of swgoh.gg, but it doesn’t appear to be gamebreaking.

Hounds Tooth is really the first time since I’ve been playing that I have seen p2w really come roaring into fleet arena, although thus far it has not seemed to effect myself too much (must not be many whales in my shard, thank God).

400 crystals for first place is really good. I’m not nearly first place every day but I can usually get 5th spot which is still 300 crystals... way more than I (read: me, not anyone) would ever hope to achieve in squad arena (as ftp).

"Warp3dM1nd;c-1641729" wrote:

"Austin09370;c-1641712" wrote:

"JerrickKharr87;c-1641700" wrote:

"zaljko_petrescu;c-1641699" wrote:
I don’t know if f2p is dying - certain feels that way in some respects - but I can say for sure that the game just somehow seems more BORING as of late. New characters being released don’t fill me with any kind of joy and to be honest evoke the opposite reaction when I think about doing a HM farm that seems to average one shard a day even when simming 7-8 battles at once... then that’s not to mention gearing them with the ridiculous stun gun etc. grind... and then G12+ pieces... :(

Yeah maybe that’s my problem. I’m just bored. Arena is super stale with mega whales whaling out on Traya. Too many toons, not enough resources. It’s becoming too much of a bore.

To be fair, "whaling out on Traya' doesn't make any sense as she's FTP and many whales don't have her. It's more of the legacy players that have her because they are in stronger guilds with people who have been playing long as they have.

As far as FTP with the slow death, people have been saying that day 1. FTP is fine and will be fine. It's just that 6 month players can't expect to keep up with 2 year players for obvious reasons..

You make think it is fine and that's your opinion. The truth is the gap is slowly widening and soon will pick up more and more speed. G12 and 6 dot mods being gated behind is going to create a huge gap once the P2P get their toons equipped with them.

Soon unless your lucky enough to be on a dead shard top spots in arena and fleet will be unobtainable. Plus whatever legendary they planning on releasing and assuming the Toons needed will either be on HN or Ship HN in 6 months or so means it will be a year and half or 2 hears out before F2P has a shot at it.

So yeah I think F2P competively is dying. Slowly right now but it will pick up speed. If you are F2P I think you need to start getting your mind set to just have fun and play with your favorite star wars Toons and forget about trying to compete unless like I said you happen to be lucky on a half dead shard.

I keep hearing this opinion over and over; "if you are f2p and you are able to place at the top of your arena your shard is half dead/dead"

I am at a launch shard and I never fell out of the ability to reach the top since I arrived there. So maybe I'm not seeing the picture clearly. A few questions follow;

-Are you in your arenas shard chat?
-Were you able to previously place at the top, but now can't and what is your take on the reasons for it?
-How many of top 50 or 20 in your arena do you suppose are whales/krakens?

"No_Try;c-1641879" wrote:

"Warp3dM1nd;c-1641729" wrote:

"Austin09370;c-1641712" wrote:

"JerrickKharr87;c-1641700" wrote:

"zaljko_petrescu;c-1641699" wrote:
I don’t know if f2p is dying - certain feels that way in some respects - but I can say for sure that the game just somehow seems more BORING as of late. New characters being released don’t fill me with any kind of joy and to be honest evoke the opposite reaction when I think about doing a HM farm that seems to average one shard a day even when simming 7-8 battles at once... then that’s not to mention gearing them with the ridiculous stun gun etc. grind... and then G12+ pieces... :(

Yeah maybe that’s my problem. I’m just bored. Arena is super stale with mega whales whaling out on Traya. Too many toons, not enough resources. It’s becoming too much of a bore.

To be fair, "whaling out on Traya' doesn't make any sense as she's FTP and many whales don't have her. It's more of the legacy players that have her because they are in stronger guilds with people who have been playing long as they have.

As far as FTP with the slow death, people have been saying that day 1. FTP is fine and will be fine. It's just that 6 month players can't expect to keep up with 2 year players for obvious reasons..

You make think it is fine and that's your opinion. The truth is the gap is slowly widening and soon will pick up more and more speed. G12 and 6 dot mods being gated behind is going to create a huge gap once the P2P get their toons equipped with them.

Soon unless your lucky enough to be on a dead shard top spots in arena and fleet will be unobtainable. Plus whatever legendary they planning on releasing and assuming the Toons needed will either be on HN or Ship HN in 6 months or so means it will be a year and half or 2 hears out before F2P has a shot at it.

So yeah I think F2P competively is dying. Slowly right now but it will pick up speed. If you are F2P I think you need to start getting your mind set to just have fun and play with your favorite star wars Toons and forget about trying to compete unless like I said you happen to be lucky on a half dead shard.

I keep hearing this opinion over and over; "if you are f2p and you are able to place at the top of your arena your shard is half dead/dead"

I am at a launch shard and I never fell out of the ability to reach the top since I arrived there. So maybe I'm not seeing the picture clearly. A few questions follow;

-Are you in your arenas shard chat?
-Were you able to previously place at the top, but now can't and what is your take on the reasons for it?
-How many of top 50 or 20 in your arena do you suppose are whales/krakens?

1. Yes
2. Yes, Traya has negated this
3. Most who place top 20 are whales

And I love how people claim Traya is FTP! Lol in what universe? To get Traya as FTP, either you’re in a whale guild that is carried by whales or you’re simply lying about FTP. The teams and gear required to complete the outrageously terrible HSTR in all four phases at this point are for whales. Sure, we may be able to build up all those teams in a year or two but if you already have Traya, then either you lucked out with whales carrying you or you are a whale pretending to be FTP just to defend this game (or you’re in denial like most addicts).

"JerrickKharr87;c-1641946" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1641879" wrote:

"Warp3dM1nd;c-1641729" wrote:

"Austin09370;c-1641712" wrote:

"JerrickKharr87;c-1641700" wrote:

"zaljko_petrescu;c-1641699" wrote:
I don’t know if f2p is dying - certain feels that way in some respects - but I can say for sure that the game just somehow seems more BORING as of late. New characters being released don’t fill me with any kind of joy and to be honest evoke the opposite reaction when I think about doing a HM farm that seems to average one shard a day even when simming 7-8 battles at once... then that’s not to mention gearing them with the ridiculous stun gun etc. grind... and then G12+ pieces... :(

Yeah maybe that’s my problem. I’m just bored. Arena is super stale with mega whales whaling out on Traya. Too many toons, not enough resources. It’s becoming too much of a bore.

To be fair, "whaling out on Traya' doesn't make any sense as she's FTP and many whales don't have her. It's more of the legacy players that have her because they are in stronger guilds with people who have been playing long as they have.

As far as FTP with the slow death, people have been saying that day 1. FTP is fine and will be fine. It's just that 6 month players can't expect to keep up with 2 year players for obvious reasons..

You make think it is fine and that's your opinion. The truth is the gap is slowly widening and soon will pick up more and more speed. G12 and 6 dot mods being gated behind is going to create a huge gap once the P2P get their toons equipped with them.

Soon unless your lucky enough to be on a dead shard top spots in arena and fleet will be unobtainable. Plus whatever legendary they planning on releasing and assuming the Toons needed will either be on HN or Ship HN in 6 months or so means it will be a year and half or 2 hears out before F2P has a shot at it.

So yeah I think F2P competively is dying. Slowly right now but it will pick up speed. If you are F2P I think you need to start getting your mind set to just have fun and play with your favorite star wars Toons and forget about trying to compete unless like I said you happen to be lucky on a half dead shard.

I keep hearing this opinion over and over; "if you are f2p and you are able to place at the top of your arena your shard is half dead/dead"

I am at a launch shard and I never fell out of the ability to reach the top since I arrived there. So maybe I'm not seeing the picture clearly. A few questions follow;

-Are you in your arenas shard chat?
-Were you able to previously place at the top, but now can't and what is your take on the reasons for it?
-How many of top 50 or 20 in your arena do you suppose are whales/krakens?

1. Yes
2. Yes, Traya has negated this
3. Most who place top 20 are whales

And I love how people claim Traya is FTP! Lol in what universe? To get Traya as FTP, either you’re in a whale guild that is carried by whales or you’re simply lying about FTP. The teams and gear required to complete the outrageously terrible HSTR in all four phases at this point are for whales. Sure, we may be able to build up all those teams in a year or two but if you already have Traya, then either you lucked out with whales carrying you or you are a whale pretending to be FTP just to defend this game (or you’re in denial like most addicts).

You are making way too many assumptions, or our definitions of whale dramatically differs and you group any guppy/dolphin as a whale. My guild has only one whale left after the launch of hstr, we became hstr 4 months after it's launch due to enormous effort put in by many. I have all the hstr teams as a f2p and very recently started to sport my own traya in arena. You can check my profile/guild as a testimony. But it doesn't stop at me, I'm not an exception whatsoever. Many people in middling guilds are getting Traya shards right now as the hstr beating bar has moved down as far as 100M+ guilds.


Traya is beatable by not one but many teams (which obviously doesn't hold as well as Traya in defense). If you are keen on being competetive in your arena why aren't you investing in the most obvious choice which is a Bastilla team?

I spefically asked about arena chat because some teams can't reach the top against fierce competition but they can due to sportsmanship of their arena chat. Here's one with aeons old meta.

"BubbaFett;c-1641961" wrote:

"Warp3dM1nd;c-1641698" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1641454" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1640961" wrote:
I got 120 toons i cannot gear because 6 stun guns a day when you need thousands of them.... everything else can be had.... greeeeeeed

Then stop farming sonkamybtoons and start farming stun guns.... You can do.refreshes and sim for them, get them in the shard shop or get store..... Choices....

Lol farm them....6 stun guns equals 300 salvage. You can't farm that in a week including whatever you get from raids and everything else. I have 60 Toons needing stun guns and that's not counting the ones the need multiple stun guns. So I'm looking at roughly farming 5000+ stun salvage which will take roughly a year.

That's not including any of the new Toons released or legendaries coming up. It's beyond laughable that have 1000s or more of multiple pieces yet instead of CG utilizing those underused gears they would rather keep the massive bottle neck of stun guns going. Oh and I'm sure the new Toons will need their fair share as well so might as well add another couple of thousand to that.

It will literally take 8 months to a year just to gear some of my main toon teams. Some I don't have a choice I have to because they are pilots and since ships 2.0 screwed us. I don't really have a choice.

Or you can whale it out and pay what 20 bucks per stun gun. That's a nice profit of 10 grand or more. SMH I really do hope Apple and Google follow through and yank EAs whole app collection for practices such as these.

So, how did you get the 60 toons?.... You farmed them obviously.... Maybe you should have farmed 30 toons and spent the rest of that energy on stun guns and you wouldn't have 60 toons and no guns.....

Facepalm

"BubbaFett;c-1641981" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1641970" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1641961" wrote:

"Warp3dM1nd;c-1641698" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1641454" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1640961" wrote:
I got 120 toons i cannot gear because 6 stun guns a day when you need thousands of them.... everything else can be had.... greeeeeeed

Then stop farming sonkamybtoons and start farming stun guns.... You can do.refreshes and sim for them, get them in the shard shop or get store..... Choices....

Lol farm them....6 stun guns equals 300 salvage. You can't farm that in a week including whatever you get from raids and everything else. I have 60 Toons needing stun guns and that's not counting the ones the need multiple stun guns. So I'm looking at roughly farming 5000+ stun salvage which will take roughly a year.

That's not including any of the new Toons released or legendaries coming up. It's beyond laughable that have 1000s or more of multiple pieces yet instead of CG utilizing those underused gears they would rather keep the massive bottle neck of stun guns going. Oh and I'm sure the new Toons will need their fair share as well so might as well add another couple of thousand to that.

It will literally take 8 months to a year just to gear some of my main toon teams. Some I don't have a choice I have to because they are pilots and since ships 2.0 screwed us. I don't really have a choice.

Or you can whale it out and pay what 20 bucks per stun gun. That's a nice profit of 10 grand or more. SMH I really do hope Apple and Google follow through and yank EAs whole app collection for practices such as these.

So, how did you get the 60 toons?.... You farmed them obviously.... Maybe you should have farmed 30 toons and spent the rest of that energy on stun guns and you wouldn't have 60 toons and no guns.....

Facepalm

Lol..... Great insight....

Pretty sure that was in support of the painfully obvious logic of your initial post! I think many of us completely agree. The whole 'I chose to spend my energy on unlocking toons and now I can't gear them...because I spend all of my energy unlocking toons' argument is tired. The game is about choices everyone. Make them.

And I would hope anyone with a roster north of 2M GP has somewhere between 40-60 toons waiting on a stun gun. GoH's happens to be gear (yes, typically stun guns and carbantis). So be it. Of course it will take you eight months - otherwise you'd have 3M GP after playing the game for six months. How would that be any fun?

"cannonfodder_iv;c-1642004" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1641981" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1641970" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1641961" wrote:

"Warp3dM1nd;c-1641698" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1641454" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1640961" wrote:
I got 120 toons i cannot gear because 6 stun guns a day when you need thousands of them.... everything else can be had.... greeeeeeed

Then stop farming sonkamybtoons and start farming stun guns.... You can do.refreshes and sim for them, get them in the shard shop or get store..... Choices....

Lol farm them....6 stun guns equals 300 salvage. You can't farm that in a week including whatever you get from raids and everything else. I have 60 Toons needing stun guns and that's not counting the ones the need multiple stun guns. So I'm looking at roughly farming 5000+ stun salvage which will take roughly a year.

That's not including any of the new Toons released or legendaries coming up. It's beyond laughable that have 1000s or more of multiple pieces yet instead of CG utilizing those underused gears they would rather keep the massive bottle neck of stun guns going. Oh and I'm sure the new Toons will need their fair share as well so might as well add another couple of thousand to that.

It will literally take 8 months to a year just to gear some of my main toon teams. Some I don't have a choice I have to because they are pilots and since ships 2.0 screwed us. I don't really have a choice.

Or you can whale it out and pay what 20 bucks per stun gun. That's a nice profit of 10 grand or more. SMH I really do hope Apple and Google follow through and yank EAs whole app collection for practices such as these.

So, how did you get the 60 toons?.... You farmed them obviously.... Maybe you should have farmed 30 toons and spent the rest of that energy on stun guns and you wouldn't have 60 toons and no guns.....

Facepalm

Lol..... Great insight....

Pretty sure that was in support of the painfully obvious logic of your initial post! I think many of us completely agree. The whole 'I chose to spend my energy on unlocking toons and now I can't gear them...because I spend all of my energy unlocking toons' argument is tired. The game is about choices everyone. Make them.

And I would hope anyone with a roster north of 2M GP has somewhere between 40-60 toons waiting on a stun gun. GoH's happens to be gear (yes, typically stun guns and carbantis). So be it. Of course it will take you eight months - otherwise you'd have 3M GP after playing the game for six months. How would that be any fun?

This... Also it's not really a choice spending 150 crystals and 400 energy on 5 stun guns is a horrible choice.. against farming toons that drop needed gear as well. Eventually the Stun guns will come..

So yes you can say it's a "choice" but when you have two options and one of them is so pathetic to not even be considered it's not really a "choice" unless your new or HAVE to finish that JTR team or Arena team it would just be stupid to spend 150 crystals on 5 stun guns and forgo the hard node farms.

Ship table perfect example... you gonna farm 0-3 stun guns a day or farm lando/falcon or nest... you can say it's a choice...but it's not

Stun guns are their money maker...the choice is buy them or not..farming them from nodes is not...(YES whales who have everything farmed do have that choice) They bought that choice....the spend $$$ choice...not the do i farm hard nodes or stun guns choice...Getting locked out of legendarys or Hero Journeys not worth 3 stun gun salvage a day

I got 2 complete stun guns done this last week.....Ship Energy (5E), and all other currency.
I’ll get 2 more this week.....
It’s about choices!
I’d rather get my existing characters to G11+ this next 2 months than whine about having dozens of undergeared characters. Next 2 Stun Guns will go to Kanan..... :)