Is F2P dying a slow death?

F2P is already dead in the fleet arena. Squad arena is very f2p fiendly as you can get by with some 3* g11 characters (even if they are trying to make it worse now that you can't equip 6* mods on non-g12 toons) and every team has a hard counter.
But fleet arena is a disaster with the new ships. They are useless at 3* (worse you also need a newish toon like Bossk geared and stared) and it's impossible to beat them with anything that's not a mirror team.

You go into a new ship arena too...and it’s smaller than the main arena, so more closely matched to your level and ships.
Im running a Rebel Team - it’s tricky to get any higher than about 35th. But the payout difference between say 10th and 49th isn’t that big (1400 and 200 crystals vs 1300 and 50)
Arguably Fleet is ok if you can hold top 50.

the only think that makes F2P Bore dying is their riduculously low drop rate ..... always farming the same gears which drops less often then the Loto numbers. Farming shard that drop once every 10 tries. 330 Shard = 3300 Tries ....
Next legendary will be C3PO since it is in every movies and comics :p Grievous will be required and will have it'ss rework.

I am F2P and top 3 in both arena.

It's faster and easier to pay but it is possible as F2P... you juste need time and focus on what you want... and to be in a good guild.

Does the ability of a 95M Guild able to only fill 1 single Ships Platoon for Phases 4, 5, and 6 combined tell you something?

Yes, I'm talking about the current Empire TB running at the moment.

"Metroplex79;c-1646656" wrote:
Does the ability of a 95M Guild able to only fill 1 single Ships Platoon for Phases 4, 5, and 6 combined tell you something?

Yes, I'm talking about the current Empire TB running at the moment.

Nop, it tells me nothing. All but whale collectives are experiencing the same thing regardless of GP (155M here, only 1 whale in the guild). Platoons help a lot, but they are not a must for stars. You brute force your way into more stars as the guild gp rises.

"No_Try;c-1646380" wrote:

"JohnAran;c-1646369" wrote:

"Asifab;c-1646327" wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about the new shard as if arena is the only thing that matters. Any new players who remain F2P will never partake in any new raid content in this game. Most guilds right now can’t even bed or attempt heroic sith. Those are guilds made up of players with 1.5+ years of play time as well. No one starts a game and says hey once I’ve spent some decent time grinding in this game I’ll be fine never being able to do the neeedt raid content. That’s just ****. Sith raid has been out for a fair amount of time now and there are still so many guilds who are unable to reach traya shards. With the current path this game is on it will certain loose many F2P people. If any of you out there think loosing the F2P means less then loosing the whales you are wrong. If a huge player base is not kept in a game like this then it will certainly die off. Whales do not make up enough of the population to keep this game going for years to come. The easiest way to fix everything is to increase shard drops on all nodes.( space, cantina and hard nodes) if each time you run 1 sim you have the chance to get 2 or maybe 3 shards this would close in the gap of farming squads. That gap closing is all that is needed. Shard increase per sim is the way to go. It doesn’t cost CG any money from the whales and it keeps the F2P clients in game.

Wouldn’t solve anything because character shards are absolutely not the problem. You earn shards so much faster than credit, gear and ability materials it’s like the last thing you actually need. I have dozens of characters needed for raids teams or other events that are 7* but useless because going from g8 to g12 is so long, i have around zero omega, zero zeta and even zero purple mat cause you need so much. The gap has never been and never will be character shards. It’s 100% ability mat and gear, and to a lesser extent credit.

@BubbaFett Just a quick thing regarding your talk about responsability. You should check some articles and stuff on the internet about marketing, com and neuroscience (friendly reminder that the people spending the most money in the world on neuroscience are google, amazon and the like).
Won’t go too far cause a you said it’s not the place, but a lot, and i mean a lot of what you would think to be « your choices » are actually anything but.

I don't know how long you have been playing, but credit crunch has been a lesser problem for many long termers. Gear on the other hand is always is. To give you an idea I'm a day 1 f2p, I have all the characters/ships fully leveled and at least g7 and have 40M credits on top of that even though I've been also buying store mods. Some of the other top notch f2p that began playing later have been slowly catching me in terms of leveling most of their roster. So....main bottleneck for me is always shards of the newest marquee toons since I can force grind gear whenever a new character needs to be geared.

I answered to someone talking about new ftp players and their problems. But yeah i don’t doubt that when you already have 50 g12 chars, have every char in the game 7* lvl 85 and have been doing credit hesit for the past 3 years, and are able to complete the last tier of every event, every mission, every raid, and the last thing left for you to do is to farm the recently availables marquees, you don’t have the same problems as someone starting today.
And to be honest, even in that case, i really doubt that you would need a 200% increase in shard droprate, since farming those is the only thing you need to do, you should be able to invest all your ressources into it and get them fast enough, should you need them for anything.
That’s all i was saying.

Truth is this a new player/veterans thing, not a f2p/p2p thing, as many have demonstrated here that even f2p can do all this, as long as they’ve been playing for years.
I don’t know if f2p’s situation is really different now from what it was at the beginning. I’ve been playing only 11 months (to answer your question^^) so i don’t know how it was back then. And truthfully i don’t know how it’s like right now either, with the quests and everything.

"JohnAran;c-1646695" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1646380" wrote:

"JohnAran;c-1646369" wrote:

"Asifab;c-1646327" wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about the new shard as if arena is the only thing that matters. Any new players who remain F2P will never partake in any new raid content in this game. Most guilds right now can’t even bed or attempt heroic sith. Those are guilds made up of players with 1.5+ years of play time as well. No one starts a game and says hey once I’ve spent some decent time grinding in this game I’ll be fine never being able to do the neeedt raid content. That’s just ****. Sith raid has been out for a fair amount of time now and there are still so many guilds who are unable to reach traya shards. With the current path this game is on it will certain loose many F2P people. If any of you out there think loosing the F2P means less then loosing the whales you are wrong. If a huge player base is not kept in a game like this then it will certainly die off. Whales do not make up enough of the population to keep this game going for years to come. The easiest way to fix everything is to increase shard drops on all nodes.( space, cantina and hard nodes) if each time you run 1 sim you have the chance to get 2 or maybe 3 shards this would close in the gap of farming squads. That gap closing is all that is needed. Shard increase per sim is the way to go. It doesn’t cost CG any money from the whales and it keeps the F2P clients in game.

Wouldn’t solve anything because character shards are absolutely not the problem. You earn shards so much faster than credit, gear and ability materials it’s like the last thing you actually need. I have dozens of characters needed for raids teams or other events that are 7* but useless because going from g8 to g12 is so long, i have around zero omega, zero zeta and even zero purple mat cause you need so much. The gap has never been and never will be character shards. It’s 100% ability mat and gear, and to a lesser extent credit.

@BubbaFett Just a quick thing regarding your talk about responsability. You should check some articles and stuff on the internet about marketing, com and neuroscience (friendly reminder that the people spending the most money in the world on neuroscience are google, amazon and the like).
Won’t go too far cause a you said it’s not the place, but a lot, and i mean a lot of what you would think to be « your choices » are actually anything but.

I don't know how long you have been playing, but credit crunch has been a lesser problem for many long termers. Gear on the other hand is always is. To give you an idea I'm a day 1 f2p, I have all the characters/ships fully leveled and at least g7 and have 40M credits on top of that even though I've been also buying store mods. Some of the other top notch f2p that began playing later have been slowly catching me in terms of leveling most of their roster. So....main bottleneck for me is always shards of the newest marquee toons since I can force grind gear whenever a new character needs to be geared.

I answered to someone talking about new ftp players and their problems. But yeah i don’t doubt that when you already have 50 g12 chars, have every char in the game 7* lvl 85 and have been doing credit hesit for the past 3 years, and are able to complete the last tier of every event, every mission, every raid, and the last thing left for you to do is to farm the recently availables marquees, you don’t have the same problems as someone starting today.
And to be honest, even in that case, i really doubt that you would need a 200% increase in shard droprate, since farming those is the only thing you need to do, you should be able to invest all your ressources into it and get them fast enough, should you need them for anything.
That’s all i was saying.

Truth is this a new player/veterans thing, not a f2p/p2p thing, as many have demonstrated here that even f2p can do all this, as long as they’ve been playing for years.
I don’t know if f2p’s situation is really different now from what it was at the beginning. I’ve been playing only 11 months (to answer your question^^) so i don’t know how it was back then. And truthfully i don’t know how it’s like right now either, with the quests and everything.

Agreed, trying to catch up from point zero looks impossible. Have to set other goals for new players. Though upping shard drop rates globally will never happen. The middle class of the game (guppy, dolphin etc.) feeds cg mainly by refills instead of maxing toons outright which only whales do.

I like the idea of new player oriented surprise re-marques (i.e. throughout their first year in the game). Or even pick your marquee out of some options (that would help create variety amongst beginner rosters from getgo).

This won't hurt their newbie chromium sales even a bit, because 160*330 shards is such an enormous number.

"Zanads;c-1646682" wrote:

"EA_Cian;c-1646524" wrote:
Hopping in here - while you can be frustrated with issues in the game, I do want to remind folks that we aren't here to talk about issues like substance abuse, the opioid crisis, etc. These topics aren't appropriate for the forums.

They are, however, comparable to gambling and gaming addictions, which was the point.

Again, discussion of the opioid crisis isn't appropriate for the forums. Relevant to the discussion or not. If you want to have these discussions and bring up its relation to the subject at hand, you can do that elsewhere but we don't permit drug/substance related discussion here, sorry.

If they really wanted to help out F2P they would 1 time gift everybody 400 purple mats, 200 omega, and 6 6e mod slicing kits. these items are crunched and F2P can't do anything about it.