Todays update has some minor graphic changes and a fix of some minor broken stuff, but we expect the customer base we ignore to be happy?
You all can’t be real. You essentially ignore your players left and right. Offer trash update after trash update. Increase gear crunches. Force feed us boring teams (have you spent 3 hours playing t3 of fanatical devotion)? Add new whaling items that are temporary and the vast majority of players seem to dislike.
But you fixed a datacron and Raddus, so I don’t the players should be happy…Seriously this game has to be run by like 1 person who logs into 17 different accounts to make it seem legit, no way a full team is involved in how little this game has grown in 2+ years
"I_JnK_I;c-2372239" wrote: Would you want a customer that buys their groceries everyday or one that buys a pack of gum once every 6 months?
They dont force you to buy anything. And if you dont want anything, you know where the door is
You do both, especially when it’s polygons and virtual coding. It’s not hard to code in a weekly crystal deal for 500 crystals for $1.99
No, why would I? The amount of profit I would lose is way to high, because they dont buy the more expensive packs. The game is still made to make money. As every other game. If it didnt make any money, your fun in playing the game would even harder go down the drain.
One time purchase Guess CG is really interested in improving gear economy
If you ran a store and you made a sale, would you let one customer buy everything for half of the price? I wouldnt
Besides the fact that this gear already has been improved, so it wont be in the next gear economy changes
The rants are getting out of hand
You’re missing the point. A brand new economy in datacrons that completely changes the game in PVP is unlimited for whales to get bigger advantage over F2P than ever before.
The core gear is limited to one purchase which…why? To prevent more G11 toons?
Why should they make you get to gear 11 from scratch? The game is still about spending your resources carefully OR pay.
Let them have their advantage, thats what they pay for and you dont, but will you even ever face them? I havent, because 99% of them are at the top of kyber
Nice strawman. Who said that they should make you get to g11 from scratch in a blink?
There are enough posts and comments that describe why the gear economy needs to be adjusted especially now with Relics being made the minimum.
Your forum account is new but seems you are not new to the forums, so you know the answer if you read through those.
Oh i think it should be fixed or adjusted as fast as possible too, i just dont see the point in adjusting it with gempacks
Better than nothing ?
For who?
The players who need gear?
You get those fast enough imo. Cant imagine having 500 cuffs is cool while you farm the other pieces to combine them
No, YOU get those fast enough. Just because you do doesn't mean every player does. They also PROMISED us they were working on GEAR (state of the Gear-laxy) and there would be multiple phases of gear to improve the output of gear to players.
They did "part" of phase 1 and then beat us ragged with inquisitors and then datacrons. Datacrons aren't gear, they are OP garbage that make geared up characters useless if they don't have datacrons to make them better. The fact they picked Rey and JMK as the first GL's to get personalized datacrons that are out of control should make it clear the decision maker(s) at CG aren't concerned about following through with player concerns as much as they are bringing out extreme garbage.
I feel like you're trying to start up the CG Defense Force again.
And I get them from weekly challenges only. I am busy with the rest of the gear enough.
Yes, they did phase 1, which upgraded all of those packs which were posted. So why not update other gear in gear changes 2? Its about those packs, not about anything else, do not forget.
Its like Apple would be putting the newest IPhone on sale for 9.99$. Why wouldnt that work? Because it only attracts those who leave 20 bucks at their store and never come back. There is no value in doing that.
Its not even defending cg, its just economic sense: If it doesnt make profit, why should I be doing it?
If your money was 1/10 of the original "value", no, ther actually dont want it. They dont rely on the small numbers players are giving, they want and need the big payers.
If you need the pack to go down in pricing by 90% to buy it, you probably wont place much money in the game. I wont either. It just makes us the customers they dont want to attract.
One time purchase Guess CG is really interested in improving gear economy
If you ran a store and you made a sale, would you let one customer buy everything for half of the price? I wouldnt
Besides the fact that this gear already has been improved, so it wont be in the next gear economy changes
The rants are getting out of hand
You’re missing the point. A brand new economy in datacrons that completely changes the game in PVP is unlimited for whales to get bigger advantage over F2P than ever before.
The core gear is limited to one purchase which…why? To prevent more G11 toons?
Why should they make you get to gear 11 from scratch? The game is still about spending your resources carefully OR pay.
Let them have their advantage, thats what they pay for and you dont, but will you even ever face them? I havent, because 99% of them are at the top of kyber
Nice strawman. Who said that they should make you get to g11 from scratch in a blink?
There are enough posts and comments that describe why the gear economy needs to be adjusted especially now with Relics being made the minimum.
Your forum account is new but seems you are not new to the forums, so you know the answer if you read through those.
Oh i think it should be fixed or adjusted as fast as possible too, i just dont see the point in adjusting it with gempacks
Better than nothing ?
For who?
The players who need gear?
You get those fast enough imo. Cant imagine having 500 cuffs is cool while you farm the other pieces to combine them
No, YOU get those fast enough. Just because you do doesn't mean every player does. They also PROMISED us they were working on GEAR (state of the Gear-laxy) and there would be multiple phases of gear to improve the output of gear to players.
They did "part" of phase 1 and then beat us ragged with inquisitors and then datacrons. Datacrons aren't gear, they are OP garbage that make geared up characters useless if they don't have datacrons to make them better. The fact they picked Rey and JMK as the first GL's to get personalized datacrons that are out of control should make it clear the decision maker(s) at CG aren't concerned about following through with player concerns as much as they are bringing out extreme garbage.
I feel like you're trying to start up the CG Defense Force again.
And I get them from weekly challenges only. I am busy with the rest of the gear enough.
Yes, they did phase 1, which upgraded all of those packs which were posted. So why not update other gear in gear changes 2? Its about those packs, not about anything else, do not forget.
Its like Apple would be putting the newest IPhone on sale for 9.99$. Why wouldnt that work? Because it only attracts those who leave 20 bucks at their store and never come back. There is no value in doing that.
Its not even defending cg, its just economic sense: If it doesnt make profit, why should I be doing it?
You're saying that about a game that's already made over 1 Billion in revenue. And you can get the newest iPhone or Android for "free" with a 2 year contract at certain times for certain eligibility requirements. I got a free phone and my monthly bill dropped 50 bucks. By your standard, that shouldn't be a thing because I got a free phone and walked out of the store without paying for it at all, not even the 20 bucks.
But in this case, you buy/pay the contract over and over again. Also it binds you to them. And you wouldnt get the phone if it wouldnt pay out for them.
One time purchase Guess CG is really interested in improving gear economy
If you ran a store and you made a sale, would you let one customer buy everything for half of the price? I wouldnt
Besides the fact that this gear already has been improved, so it wont be in the next gear economy changes
The rants are getting out of hand
You’re missing the point. A brand new economy in datacrons that completely changes the game in PVP is unlimited for whales to get bigger advantage over F2P than ever before.
The core gear is limited to one purchase which…why? To prevent more G11 toons?
Why should they make you get to gear 11 from scratch? The game is still about spending your resources carefully OR pay.
Let them have their advantage, thats what they pay for and you dont, but will you even ever face them? I havent, because 99% of them are at the top of kyber
Nice strawman. Who said that they should make you get to g11 from scratch in a blink?
There are enough posts and comments that describe why the gear economy needs to be adjusted especially now with Relics being made the minimum.
Your forum account is new but seems you are not new to the forums, so you know the answer if you read through those.
Oh i think it should be fixed or adjusted as fast as possible too, i just dont see the point in adjusting it with gempacks
Better than nothing ?
For who?
The players who need gear?
You get those fast enough imo. Cant imagine having 500 cuffs is cool while you farm the other pieces to combine them
There is no reason for you to base this all on yourself and apply it to everyone else. It has been stated often enough now that players at different stages need the gear in different quantities and that there are enough players who can not bathe in them.
If you have enough gear than clearly it doesn't apply to you. But I am quite sure, it would not hurt you in any way if there was more gear available to everyone, so why talk against it?
As there is now reason to say datacrons suck because you dont like.
I dont have any gear enough. Im saying that by the time you have the other piece farmed (looking at those mk4 comlinks, assuming from 0), you get the other drive by.
I am still not talking against gear changes. The topic is still making those gear packs purchasable unlimitedly.
"Looooki;c-2372282" wrote: And as for their team that does surveys etc. Of cause they know what they are doing to get people to spend. Just drop a demand and supply the demand.
Introduce G13, complete it Introduce relics, put that gate further. Create more demand for relic mates and sell packs
Relic 8 and relic 9 is the same. But there will be a curve when all the purchases will flat line as it is not so in demand.
So guess what happened next? Create a new demand called datacons and supply the demands by packs
These tactics are not new... After datacons will be another gimmick. This will never end as long as the game runs...
BUT this does not mean they heard nor understand what the players want. They have chosen to ignore time and time again.
AND the only time where they actually do something, is when there is a need to display that new gimmick. (Change of UI so they can show datacons)
What the players want is not the metric that matters here. It’s more about what the players will tolerate and keep coming back for more.
One time purchase Guess CG is really interested in improving gear economy
If you ran a store and you made a sale, would you let one customer buy everything for half of the price? I wouldnt
Besides the fact that this gear already has been improved, so it wont be in the next gear economy changes
The rants are getting out of hand
If I run a store, I find out what my customer want and sell it. Not forcing my customer to buy what I want
Surely, CG has people that specialize in analytics, economy of the game, and marketing / selling them
I think they know what they are doing better than us, I also think sometimes why not just have xyz packs always available or the most popular ones with unlimited purchase limit etc
I'm sure they've discussed about those things and whatnot
As far as the topic at hand goes, where its a one time purchase, I think this is a pressure purchase
You don't know WHEN you will get an offer like this again, but right now you are running low on crystals to afford it, so you are incentivized to spend real money on a vault or so, to purchase those gear
And i think with datacrons, they expire so it doesn't matter if one player has bought so much that he has maxed out an entire set day 1, that imbalance of player 1 vs rest of the players goes away in 3 months
I like it when u said they discussed with us what we want. Do tell what was ever discussed?
Ultra did not say that they would have discussed it with us. In my opinions these discussions are in CG internal meetings. And the path they have chosen does work, too bad because there might have been another path with similar revenue that would leave players with a better feeling.
"Looooki;c-2372307" wrote: Tolerate is not a word I would associate with gaming. Never heard of anyone tolerating a game. That is why this game is so wrong that players need to tolerate it
It’s a word used in free to play mobile games. Which need to make money through micro transactions, the aim is to make money often by frustrating players by artificial ceilings and bottlenecks to progress or by being beaten by players with more progress. Then sell a fast track to progress. Success is in the balance, the aim is to frustrate enough to gain revenue but if they push too hard players leave and revenue drops anyway. So players must tolerate the level of frustration. They may lose some players but as long as profit margins are met and most players are enjoying the game more than being frustrated then the game is doing well.
If you buy a game upfront I would not expect the same methods to be used. This is why it’s acceptable for F2P to have slower progress (they get the game for free and enjoy all content) but what’s good in SWGOH is nothing is completely locked behind money it’s just about time investment and if you are impatient then you can pay to get it faster.
Tolerate
"Phoenixeon;c-2372670" wrote:
"zatchy;d-257533" wrote: Todays update has some minor graphic changes and a fix of some minor broken stuff, but we expect the customer base we ignore to be happy?
You all can’t be real. You essentially ignore your players left and right. Offer trash update after trash update. Increase gear crunches. Force feed us boring teams (have you spent 3 hours playing t3 of fanatical devotion)? Add new whaling items that are temporary and the vast majority of players seem to dislike.
But you fixed a datacron and Raddus, so I don’t the players should be happy…Seriously this game has to be run by like 1 person who logs into 17 different accounts to make it seem legit, no way a full team is involved in how little this game has grown in 2+ years
Ppl has been asking for inquisitors for years.
Sure, they suck. Then dont star/gear them, is that THAT hard?
Sure. Then don't datacon and don't do all the NEW things. U SURE about that??
One time purchase Guess CG is really interested in improving gear economy
If you ran a store and you made a sale, would you let one customer buy everything for half of the price? I wouldnt
Besides the fact that this gear already has been improved, so it wont be in the next gear economy changes
The rants are getting out of hand
You’re missing the point. A brand new economy in datacrons that completely changes the game in PVP is unlimited for whales to get bigger advantage over F2P than ever before.
The core gear is limited to one purchase which…why? To prevent more G11 toons?
Why should they make you get to gear 11 from scratch? The game is still about spending your resources carefully OR pay.
Let them have their advantage, thats what they pay for and you dont, but will you even ever face them? I havent, because 99% of them are at the top of kyber
Nice strawman. Who said that they should make you get to g11 from scratch in a blink?
There are enough posts and comments that describe why the gear economy needs to be adjusted especially now with Relics being made the minimum.
Your forum account is new but seems you are not new to the forums, so you know the answer if you read through those.
Oh i think it should be fixed or adjusted as fast as possible too, i just dont see the point in adjusting it with gempacks
Better than nothing ?
For who?
The players who need gear?
You get those fast enough imo. Cant imagine having 500 cuffs is cool while you farm the other pieces to combine them
No, YOU get those fast enough. Just because you do doesn't mean every player does. They also PROMISED us they were working on GEAR (state of the Gear-laxy) and there would be multiple phases of gear to improve the output of gear to players.
They did "part" of phase 1 and then beat us ragged with inquisitors and then datacrons. Datacrons aren't gear, they are OP garbage that make geared up characters useless if they don't have datacrons to make them better. The fact they picked Rey and JMK as the first GL's to get personalized datacrons that are out of control should make it clear the decision maker(s) at CG aren't concerned about following through with player concerns as much as they are bringing out extreme garbage.
I feel like you're trying to start up the CG Defense Force again.
And I get them from weekly challenges only. I am busy with the rest of the gear enough.
Yes, they did phase 1, which upgraded all of those packs which were posted. So why not update other gear in gear changes 2? Its about those packs, not about anything else, do not forget.
Its like Apple would be putting the newest IPhone on sale for 9.99$. Why wouldnt that work? Because it only attracts those who leave 20 bucks at their store and never come back. There is no value in doing that.
Its not even defending cg, its just economic sense: If it doesnt make profit, why should I be doing it?
You're saying that about a game that's already made over 1 Billion in revenue. And you can get the newest iPhone or Android for "free" with a 2 year contract at certain times for certain eligibility requirements. I got a free phone and my monthly bill dropped 50 bucks. By your standard, that shouldn't be a thing because I got a free phone and walked out of the store without paying for it at all, not even the 20 bucks.
But in this case, you buy/pay the contract over and over again. Also it binds you to them. And you wouldnt get the phone if it wouldnt pay out for them.
Its like monthly calendars or battle passes
And yet, I have something of value for OVER two years because after that two years is up I can sell my phone back towards a new one, or keep using it without a contract or a need to give it back. PLUS, the phone doesn't wipe and have to get rebuilt as something different every 3 months. I also don't need to buy something temporary every 3 months to make the phone work at its optimal capability.
My point was you are not getting it for free. You buy the contract and considering the price of the contract you are buying it for a reduced price, just over 2 years or whatever.
Also, real life items are far different from ingame stuff. You never get anything actually, you are just renting it. When the servers get shut down eventually, all is gone.
(Note: I dont really know, at which point we are actually at. Last thing i had in mind was talking about those nice 50% packs being limited, why is this about datacrons in some way?)
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