It's time to balance Baze/Chirrut

"danflorian1984;c-1058258" wrote:

"Crazylazyguy;c-1058256" wrote:
Again.. Really?
http://i.imgur.com/SFkV6eO.gif

Why?

Because it's annoying obviously? Nobody is able to discuss in this forum because the pages are filled with nerf X character because it's too OP. Obviously there are ways, otherwise the top 1 spot would be held by the same player everyday if he has X character. This is not the case, so that means the toon is not so op/unbeatable. They WON'T nerf it simply because it's not out of balance. People cried about Zaul, cried about Wiggs, cried(and continue to cry) about triple cleanse, cry(currently) about Chaze.. Use your head and find ways to beat it, if you can't then too bad, continue playing until you can.

I'm entirely against nerfs, but they have never had a hard counter. Maul got hit with R2, Wiggs got hit with Shore. Chaze can be countered yes, but there is no explicit hard counter to where a Chaze team says, oh ****, I better not fight that team.

We need a toon that either punishes you for cleansing/taunting or inflicts opposite buffs as soon as you acquire them, i.e. When Baze starts with taunt, he loses taunt and all other team members gain taunt, when Chirrut gives health regeneration, it immediately becomes health down or heal block.

I'll add this. Thrawn with a unique like this would be cool:
Unique: Study Their Tactics (Zeta) - When an enemy gains a buff, every member of your team gains that buff.

LOL, but seriously, what are YOU going to do if Chaze is left alone? Chaze, since they became farmable for everyone will only increase in popularity. It is not going to go away.

Better start building Chaze countrers... or not..

"Atlas1;c-1058273" wrote:
I'll add this. Thrawn with a unique like this would be cool:
Unique: Study Their Tactics (Zeta) - When an enemy gains a buff, every member of your team gains that buff.

so we can have this thread all over again, but about thrawn instead of chaze? ;)

There's always something you nerfers want nerfed. It's a never ending cycle of regurgitated poooh. If you nerfers had your way, every toon would be the same, and anyone can be 1st without any investment.

A piece of advise: instead of complaining from the nerfers talking points, learn the game and begin to enjoy it for what it is.

"leef;c-1058277" wrote:

"Atlas1;c-1058273" wrote:
I'll add this. Thrawn with a unique like this would be cool:
Unique: Study Their Tactics (Zeta) - When an enemy gains a buff, every member of your team gains that buff.

so we can have this thread all over again, but about thrawn instead of chaze? ;)

Power creep is inevitable. I want to see the meta evolve. I'm fine debating Thrawn or a new toon. I'm just tired of Chaze.

"Crazylazyguy;c-1058259" wrote:

"danflorian1984;c-1058258" wrote:

"Crazylazyguy;c-1058256" wrote:
Again.. Really?
http://i.imgur.com/SFkV6eO.gif

Why?

Because it's annoying obviously? Nobody is able to discuss in this forum because the pages are filled with nerf X character because it's too OP. Obviously there are ways, otherwise the top 1 spot would be held by the same player everyday if he has X character. This is not the case, so that means the toon is not so op/unbeatable. They WON'T nerf it simply because it's not out of balance. People cried about Zaul, cried about Wiggs, cried(and continue to cry) about triple cleanse, cry(currently) about Chaze.. Use your head and find ways to beat it, if you can't then too bad, continue playing until you can.

People obviously feel very strong about this topic if there are so many threads deficated to it. And as players with the same rights as you they have the right to express their feelings. Your frustration in dealing with this topics is not even 10 th percent of the frustration that people have when dealing with the toons in the game.

The game is not out of balance? well then what is the outher side of the scales? the counters? Are they as good as Chaze, GK and a few other? BTW what are the dark equivalents to Chaze or GK ?

"Carth_Onassi1973;c-1058223" wrote:
Respectfully disagree on the Chaze nerf/balance.

By themselves, they're cannon fodder. They need to be together to have the synergy to make them great. Sorta like wiggs. And droids. And zaul.

Okay, first, let me say two things:

1) As a general rule, I am opposed to nerfs of any kind. I think they unfairly punish paying customers - and those that "paid" with time and gear.

2) I have no dog in this fight. I can beat Chaze teams and finish #1 arena if I am available around my payout time (that's a different discussion)

Those two things said, I DO think Chaze need to be "balanced". Anyone suggesting that they are not OP to some degree either hasn't played against/with 7* versions at max gear or is simply trying to defend their team. When paired together they do almost everything that they do better than any other character that does them. A tank with an AoE debuff that also calls a strong attacker to assist. An attacker that not only hits like a truck but cleanses and heals - and calls the tank to assist. Both of their basics also have abilities attached to them. Oh, and they both counter most of the time - with those basics.

Now, the above would be a sufficient reason to take a close look at them for rebalancing - but the things that makes it almost a no-brainer are:

1) They can function on virtually any team (unlike Droids or Zaul or even Wiggs - who generally need Wedge in the lead to maximize their effectiveness).

2) They have no direct counter.

3) They are labelled as Rebels - already one of the strongest factions in the game.

"Nikoms565;c-1058289" wrote:

"Carth_Onassi1973;c-1058223" wrote:
Respectfully disagree on the Chaze nerf/balance.

By themselves, they're cannon fodder. They need to be together to have the synergy to make them great. Sorta like wiggs. And droids. And zaul.

Okay, first, let me say two things:

1) As a general rule, I am opposed to nerfs of any kind. I think they unfairly punish paying customers - and those that "paid" with time and gear.

2) I have no dog in this fight. I can beat Chaze teams and finish #1 arena if I am available around my payout time (that's a different discussion)

Those two things said, I DO think Chaze need to be "balanced". Anyone suggesting that they are not OP to some degree either hasn't played against/with 7* versions at max gear or is simply trying to defend their team. When paired together they do almost everything that they do better than any other character that does them. A tank with an AoE debuff that also calls a strong attacker to assist. An attacker that not only hits like a truck but cleanses and heals - and calls the tank to assist. Both of their basics also have abilities attached to them. Oh, and they both counter most of the time - with those basics.

Now, the above would be a sufficient reason to take a close look at them for rebalancing - but the things that makes it almost a no-brainer are:

1) They can function on virtually any team (unlike Droids or Zaul or even Wiggs - who generally need Wedge in the lead to maximize their effectiveness).

2) They have no direct counter.

3) They are labelled as Rebels - already one of the strongest factions in the game.

Here's the problem, people can't understand some of those things you post because most people are like a broken record saying well chaze has counters