Kenobi - S1E5 (Spoilers)

"Screerider;c-2368168" wrote:
Character choices are not plot holes. She could be minimizing her connection to Ben to remove a potential weakness that could be exploited by Vader.

That doesnt work. She knows shes being captured and vader knows she was kidnapped 9 years earlier by his inquisitors to draw out kenobi.

Lets look at the original subtext of the scene. Leia is seeking a jedi master who helped her father, shes about to be captured by vader and knows it... and she has the death star plans and needs them to get to the rebels via alderaan.

That doesnt change because of the kenobi show. R2 still knows kenobi is on tatooine. He still has a message that confirms alderaan is a rebel supporting planet and his capture will tip vader off to those things... literally none of that changes..... and vader already knew leia was a traitor and tells her so.

What does change is exactly what LordDirt said, her message shows she has no connection to him when infact she does and its a pretty special one. Again, Kenobi show already established Vader knows kenobi is alive and that the inquistors kidnapped bales daughter to flush him out. Everything else thats relevant is in the original message and capturing R2 still gives him all the same information as the original scene. Likewise with the new show, vader goes into the scene already knowing leia and kenobi have a history... he just doesnt know the real reason Bale called Kenobi.

Making the message more personal doesnt change whats at stake, shes not hiding anyting from vader by not acknowledging the earlier misadventure. Vader doesnt gain leverage that he wouldnt already have if he found R2 with the jawas before owen bought him.... and it makes no sense for her to speak in such a way. Nor is it explained in New Hope that she was trying to trick anyone.

Having a personal touch doesnt take away from the stakes and makes a lot more sense given that the last interaction kenobi had with the Organa family is now not 19 years ago, but instead was 9 years ago

"Screerider;c-2368246" wrote:
Except Vader would know and would just recapture Leia at earliest convenience to draw Kenobi out again.

Yep he should... just like he should have pulled kenobi through the flames. I mean he can pull down his ship why not him through flames instead of letting a droid take him away.

Again the story has issues, but thats not really the point here.

Leia has no reason now to deliver the old help me obi wan message in the way she did to R2.

"Screerider;c-2368316" wrote:
Eh, it's been some time. They probably haven't kept in touch.

So you are saying that not seeing someone in forever means tou approach them like youve never met them before... telling them your dad asked you to contact them?

Seems reasonable

"Screerider;c-2368373" wrote:
We did see in Rogue One is was Bail who initiated the reach out to Obi Wan.

Sure... doesnt change that his daughter has a relationship with the guy he wants her to go get.

Again her intention was to get the plans to alderaan along with kenobi. She just doesnt make it past tatooine.

Its not like bail says he will send leia to go send kenobi a droid and the plans.

He sends her to fetch him, now likely because of the connection they have. Would be hard for him to say no to the girl he saved already.

Sadly vader overtakes them and she has to default to her own back up plane of sending r2 down with the plans, in hopes that obi wan will deliver them safely.

But she does in a super weird way because of this show. She ignores her connection, by bringing up an event in the past from 19 years ago instead of the one 9 years ago that kenobi would easily remember.

Leia is happy that Ben is there because he is to save them from the Empire. Has nothing to do with a previous relationship.

"Screerider;c-2368407" wrote:
She probably expected an awkward re-introduction, somewhere from his not remembering up to "Oh Leia, you'll always be that little girl I knew in the Fortress Inquisitorious."

Not remembering?? You are kidding right?

You dont really think obi wan doesnt know who one of anakins kids is... even before kenobi show added the personal connection.

Thats the issue. Kenobi show adds a personal connection beyween two charcters who would have known of each other via the past for kenobi and bale saying something to leia. The original scenes are built aroun leia knowing of kenobi, not atcually knowing him or having an adventure with him.

And to be honest until yoda's line in empire, ben's lines work as if hed never met her or know of her.... but with empire and jedi, he knows who she is the whole time. His dialogue supports that as hes coy with luke to begin with, so it works still.

This breaks it.

Still hopen for mind wipe / memory erase

"ShaggyB;c-2368394" wrote:
... she also isnt that upset hes dead a little while later. The problem is that the show has them form a bond and interact way too much for it to work as is

It is funny how she really doesnt care Ben is dead yet Luke is really bummed. Plus he is the one who cared about the fight going on between Ben and DV on the deathstar and not Leia.

Why doesnt anyone have an issue with Bale’s dumb message. Why would he do that?

Im 100% certain that this episode starts with a story recap.

I hope they show more about Inquisitors, how they got formed and taught by Vader

I don't know why I even bother trying to get excited for anything new within the Disney Star Wars ideology factory anymore. Kinda feels like SWGOH at this point.

"Oooooobiiii Waaaaaan"