As a player analysing the set of events, I put a special mark to the Chewie release. That's the point where the constant bombardment of leg/hero events started. That has put the competetive/semi competetive portion of the community into a treadmill. One can choose to keep developing other stuff, yet if you can grab the new thingie, that doesn't make strategic sense. As a result optinality of long term actions contract to the point there's hardly any left.This got followed by the premature actions (releases, fixes, changes) and numerous rollbacks from them due to developers' long term vision. I have no gripe with rollbacks and changes on default, I can say I agree with most of them depending on each instances nature. The prematurity and communication during these processes is what impacted the morale and trust of the community tremendously imho. Here's a data set. This is coming from reddit posts by the user rockseiaxii. Since it's from one of those market analysis websites, it may not fully reflect the reality, I believe there should still be correlation with the actual situation.I hope that this is a local minima, just like other temporary trend of minima and maximas.Please refer to the forum guidelines if you are gonna post a reply since this is a rather touchy topic.

It’s well beyond time for a new raid for both the ships and characters. How about start paying attention to ships for a change. Why do we only have 4 capital ships still? GA is fun and all, but we desperately need something else that’s fresh to do, and I’m not talking about a reskined TB. I’m a launch player and I’m getting a little bored with nothing new of substance coming out. Engage the player base and the money will follow.

They would be making more money if they ever rotated the G12+ gear in weekly shipments, but they don't have the sense for it. 5 weeks of the same gear now!

"Iy4oy4s;c-1863694" wrote:It’s well beyond time for a new raid for both the ships and characters. How about start paying attention to ships for a change. Why do we only have 4 capital ships still? GA is fun and all, but we desperately need something else that’s fresh to do, and I’m not talking about a reskined TB. I’m a launch player and I’m getting a little bored with nothing new of substance coming out. Engage the player base and the money will follow. Everything you said is true.... But we as a group should all understand the concept of the HSTR was probably supposed to last 2x to 3x longer than what they had planned IMO.Honestly by the next pass of JKR there SHOULD (maybe not) be a MASSIVE influx of guilds beating HSTR6 months ago getting Traya was mandatory.... now she is kind of like GK (a must have at somepoint) but better options.... is she enough to make people leave longtime non HSTR guilds (It should be....but maybe not)

"Palanthian;c-1863701" wrote:They would be making more money if they ever rotated the G12+ gear in weekly shipments, but they don't have the sense for it. 5 weeks of the same gear now!I'm posting all the time about things they could be doing to make more money and satisfy people at the same time..... What I've come to realize is there are people a lot smarter than me dictating what they do because it will make more money than whatever I think.....Sometimes I question the sanity of those people....but again fiscally speaking they are the ones with the "how to make money on phone games degrees from phoenix university" experts..... no matter what I think they have to be smarter than me right ? I'm just a drunk trailer park supervisor from sunnyvale...the liquor tells me what to do and think

"evoluza;c-1863742" wrote:"Dk_rek;c-1863737" wrote:"Palanthian;c-1863701" wrote:They would be making more money if they ever rotated the G12+ gear in weekly shipments, but they don't have the sense for it. 5 weeks of the same gear now!I'm posting all the time about things they could be doing to make more money and satisfy people at the same time..... What I've come to realize is there are people a lot smarter than me dictating what they do because it will make more money than whatever I think.....Sometimes I question the sanity of those people....but again fiscally speaking they are the ones with the "how to make money on phone games degrees from phoenix university" experts..... no matter what I think they have to be smarter than me right ? I'm just a drunk trailer park supervisor from sunnyvale...the liquor tells me what to do and think You posting mostly ship stuff... That does not make money and isn't enjoyable. I question your sanity, for liking ships. Why would ships make money.....nothing to do, no reason to buy... same with toons right now and possible reason for income decline.... Events stale, TB stale (being remedied), TW going mega stale for the future, Raid on sim (this is good hopefully tank soon), HSTR all that's left and while NOT trivial for a large percentage of the game... my guess it's vastly trivial to the people who do spend all the money in this game... How do you release content only for the TIP (crazy hard) without angering or severly hampering the other million people... I'm guessing can only be done with a raid and rewards are the problem... Tier 1-6 need in include all the rewards tier 7 has...just at a decreased rate that way guilds don't break up people dont' whine.... whaletips get satisfaction.... everyone else catches up in 2 yearsHSTR rewards and distribution are the worstThere is a reason ships are un-enjoyable for some people and that can be remedied and be the last possible refuge to make money in the game down the road.... It's touchy.... The TIP hates ships because there is kind of no way for them to dominate people and get that "i'm the best buzz" that's why there is still lots of ways to monetize ships... and again at the same time probably the majority of F2P players are actually only Surviving on ship crystal income... I'm not sure what kind of effect that will have totally yanking it away from them...anyway ship kits have not flown the coop totally yet and with only 42 ships honestly I really do feel down the road ships is going to be one of the last refuges CG has to make money in the game...I don't care either way I just want more ship content...so yeah I"m greedy

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LiathSW
6 years ago
"DocDoom;c-1864172" wrote:
LOL okay, I guess all the people asking for more PvE content better not get what they're asking for, because it would take more time. Glad you're here to tell us these things.

It’s a concern that the devs have explicitly discussed. He’s not just making stuff up. There are already plenty of people complaining about the time sink of the game in spite of the fact that they could just choose to not do everything. The fact that there are other people complaining there isn’t enough to do doesn’t change that. People have different preferences and some are completionists who won’t enjoy a game in which they can’t complete everything each day, or will try anyway and burn themselves out and then quit. It’s a difficult balancing act and dismissing the devs’ concerns isn’t helpful.
N0oTry
6 years ago
"Scuttlebutt;c-1864200" wrote:
"TVF;c-1864185" wrote:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/1822030/#Comment_1822030

drklrdbill: Can we get a practice arena mode?

We answered this recently in the last Q&A, but our disposition is that we don't want to put in a practice mode. Our theory is that even a mode that didn't have rewards could potentially balloon session time and we think that could ultimately lead to a negative experience for players. The Galactic War is still a place to do a fair amount of this, even though we understand you can't tailor it exactly to your needs.
Can we please have a practice mode for PVP?

At the moment we have no plans to build a practice mode for PvP. There are two reasons for this:
1. There are other features that, we feel, are higher impact/priority to the playerbase. We know this is a common request, but we think there are some more "fun" things that we can produce instead. If we ultimately find that we have room and nothing competing in priority, we'd consider picking it up.
2. A practice mode (at least what we see commonly requested for) would be unbounded in its time commitment (meaning you could play it all the time and unlimitedly). We are aware of the current time the game requests of player, we are hesitant to add more to it at this time.
3. Having added Simming to Galactic War, we are looking at how much people play through it voluntarily, as it is a leading indicator of how much people want to play something like a Practice Mode.

Wouldn’t a practice mode also give people the ability to test out characters before investing in them?

I imagine that those that invested in GG as a “counter” to the meta would have loved to test those character in practice before investing. Especially since gear isn’t refundable once equipped...

Imo there should always be those types of risks involved. It boils down to each players take on any of the releases/reworks and their priorities and not if releases/reworks blows everything out of the ball park. Everyone is able to take a wait and see approach or just blindly invest. That makes the outcome worth it.

Ofc my take doesn't involve false promises, bugs or badly expressed mechanics that doesn't do how it's announced.
LiathSW
6 years ago
"No_Try;c-1888641" wrote:
"TVF;c-1888461" wrote:
I'm not talking about where it's specifically located because

1) I can't do anything about it and
2) I don't care

I don't care because it doesn't matter where anything is, you can get to everything in chronological order from that link. And the more people know about it and use it, the less the location of things matter.

Thanks for providing tech support for something you don't care about.

He doesn’t care where the thread is located. He cares very much that everybody know about and use the discussions link. Not least because people who use it will no longer have a reason to complain about threads being buried.
NotRealUltra
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
they took a significant hit on March with how accessible and delayed Darth Revan turned out to be which is when they started all the increased money making strategies

Surprised April wasn’t a lot higher with the new gear (5600 crystals for Revan and 11.2k for Malak) and the panic gear for Malak for those who had Darth Revan and JKR

I think previous year they had solo content in April so you had a lot of whales going in on those marquees, especially Enfys Nest. Not sure what the big draw was last year. Could also be a continuation of people spending in March with respect to the newly launched Sith Raid
N0oTry
6 years ago
"Ultra;c-1863679" wrote:
they took a significant hit on March with how accessible and delayed Darth Revan turned out to be which is when they started all the increased money making strategies

Surprised April wasn’t a lot higher with the new gear (5600 crystals for Revan and 11.2k for Malak) and the panic gear for Malak for those who had Darth Revan and JKR

I think previous year they had solo content in April so you had a lot of whales going in on those marquees, especially Enfys Nest. Not sure what the big draw was last year. Could also be a continuation of people spending in March with respect to the newly launched Sith Raid

The # of people who had JKR was 11k something in the first run due to swgoh.gg top 100 (I have it somewhere screenshotted right before 2nd release). Respectively DR is 18.8k and 13.3k for Malak. Ofc this may not directly convert to revenue.
tvsfrink
6 years ago
"evoluza;c-1863742" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1863737" wrote:
"Palanthian;c-1863701" wrote:
They would be making more money if they ever rotated the G12+ gear in weekly shipments, but they don't have the sense for it. 5 weeks of the same gear now!

I'm posting all the time about things they could be doing to make more money and satisfy people at the same time..... What I've come to realize is there are people a lot smarter than me dictating what they do because it will make more money than whatever I think.....

Sometimes I question the sanity of those people....but again fiscally speaking they are the ones with the "how to make money on phone games degrees from phoenix university" experts..... no matter what I think they have to be smarter than me right ? I'm just a drunk trailer park supervisor from sunnyvale...the liquor tells me what to do and think

You posting mostly ship stuff...
That does not make money and isn't enjoyable. I question your sanity, for liking ships.

Different people like different things.
tward930
New Spectator
6 years ago
"Dk_rek;c-1863746" wrote:
"evoluza;c-1863742" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1863737" wrote:
"Palanthian;c-1863701" wrote:
They would be making more money if they ever rotated the G12+ gear in weekly shipments, but they don't have the sense for it. 5 weeks of the same gear now!

I'm posting all the time about things they could be doing to make more money and satisfy people at the same time..... What I've come to realize is there are people a lot smarter than me dictating what they do because it will make more money than whatever I think.....

Sometimes I question the sanity of those people....but again fiscally speaking they are the ones with the "how to make money on phone games degrees from phoenix university" experts..... no matter what I think they have to be smarter than me right ? I'm just a drunk trailer park supervisor from sunnyvale...the liquor tells me what to do and think

You posting mostly ship stuff...
That does not make money and isn't enjoyable. I question your sanity, for liking ships.

Why would ships make money.....nothing to do, no reason to buy... same with toons right now and possible reason for income decline.... Events stale, TB stale (being remedied), TW going mega stale for the future, Raid on sim (this is good hopefully tank soon), HSTR all that's left and while NOT trivial for a large percentage of the game... my guess it's vastly trivial to the people who do spend all the money in this game... How do you release content only for the TIP (crazy hard) without angering or severly hampering the other million people... I'm guessing can only be done with a raid and rewards are the problem... Tier 1-6 need in include all the rewards tier 7 has...just at a decreased rate that way guilds don't break up people dont' whine.... whaletips get satisfaction.... everyone else catches up in 2 years
HSTR rewards and distribution are the worst

There is a reason ships are un-enjoyable for some people and that can be remedied and be the last possible refuge to make money in the game down the road....

It's touchy.... The TIP hates ships because there is kind of no way for them to dominate people and get that "i'm the best buzz" that's why there is still lots of ways to monetize ships... and again at the same time probably the majority of F2P players are actually only Surviving on ship crystal income... I'm not sure what kind of effect that will have totally yanking it away from them...

anyway ship kits have not flown the coop totally yet and with only 42 ships honestly I really do feel down the road ships is going to be one of the last refuges CG has to make money in the game...

I don't care either way I just want more ship content...so yeah I"m greedy

They will never run out of content. At least 2 new tv shows coming to Disney + with another set of movies just announced. Disney isnt about to stop making money on this franchise. As long as EA has gaming rights this game will move along. Star Wars always captures peoples hearts and wallets.
N0oTry
6 years ago
"Nauros;c-1863740" wrote:
Laffer curve in effect? Once a certain point is passed, the more you squeeze, the less you get...

Possibly, how you squezze and how much you squezze ends up mattering greatly. I don't think they squezzed too much, they just pinholed the squezzing to a single method that's tiresome and hurtful for our enjoyment.
tward930
New Spectator
6 years ago
"Dk_rek;c-1863774" wrote:
"Monel;c-1863765" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1863746" wrote:
"evoluza;c-1863742" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1863737" wrote:
"Palanthian;c-1863701" wrote:
They would be making more money if they ever rotated the G12+ gear in weekly shipments, but they don't have the sense for it. 5 weeks of the same gear now!

I'm posting all the time about things they could be doing to make more money and satisfy people at the same time..... What I've come to realize is there are people a lot smarter than me dictating what they do because it will make more money than whatever I think.....

Sometimes I question the sanity of those people....but again fiscally speaking they are the ones with the "how to make money on phone games degrees from phoenix university" experts..... no matter what I think they have to be smarter than me right ? I'm just a drunk trailer park supervisor from sunnyvale...the liquor tells me what to do and think

You posting mostly ship stuff...
That does not make money and isn't enjoyable. I question your sanity, for liking ships.

Why would ships make money.....nothing to do, no reason to buy... same with toons right now and possible reason for income decline.... Events stale, TB stale (being remedied), TW going mega stale for the future, Raid on sim (this is good hopefully tank soon), HSTR all that's left and while NOT trivial for a large percentage of the game... my guess it's vastly trivial to the people who do spend all the money in this game... How do you release content only for the TIP (crazy hard) without angering or severly hampering the other million people... I'm guessing can only be done with a raid and rewards are the problem... Tier 1-6 need in include all the rewards tier 7 has...just at a decreased rate that way guilds don't break up people dont' whine.... whaletips get satisfaction.... everyone else catches up in 2 years
HSTR rewards and distribution are the worst

There is a reason ships are un-enjoyable for some people and that can be remedied and be the last possible refuge to make money in the game down the road....

It's touchy.... The TIP hates ships because there is kind of no way for them to dominate people and get that "i'm the best buzz" that's why there is still lots of ways to monetize ships... and again at the same time probably the majority of F2P players are actually only Surviving on ship crystal income... I'm not sure what kind of effect that will have totally yanking it away from them...

anyway ship kits have not flown the coop totally yet and with only 42 ships honestly I really do feel down the road ships is going to be one of the last refuges CG has to make money in the game...

I don't care either way I just want more ship content...so yeah I"m greedy

They will never run out of content. At least 2 new tv shows coming to Disney + with another set of movies just announced. Disney isnt about to stop making money on this franchise. As long as EA has gaming rights this game will move along. Star Wars always captures peoples hearts and wallets.

Having content is not the problem never was and your right never will be. The problem is having a reason to spend on that content. Why no one cares about ships because there is nothing to do or any reason to spend there.

There is an unlimited amount of toons that can be released.... But what in game content is available to make you want to spend on it....

This GA has 6 D spots for my GP... I don't think people will spend the kind of money they used to for a Grand Arena TW team (they might but not like they used to).

Same for TW.io

Arena- people will always spend for this...but arena toons and kits enticing people to spend are getting out of hand.

Raids- people will spend on toons to complete a raid always.. HSTR created a bump in revanue right ? How do they release a new raid (they never probably intended to make as HSTR was supposed to be the be all end all right ?) where it's god awful hard enough for the TIP to keep them spending while not making the lower tier rewards so bad that the rest of the game don't rage...... HSTR rewards are arguably pathetic for T1-6 and for the bottom 40 in heroic.... HSTR is basically boiled down to can you get top 10 in heroic yes AMAZING. No.... now you have what 97 % of the game scrambling to find a guild they can get top 10 in or just not giving a rat's patoot.

The problem is a new raid will end up the same way if rewards structure is the same 97% of the game just won't give a patoot BUT that 3% will and fund the game for another year......at that point I would probably personally just be happy we get another year do my moaning and whining about the rewards structure BUT STILL BE HAPPY FOR THAT extra year of play.

Everything else.... currently no PVE content outside of one or two teams may need to be geared for new TB map that anyone would even consider spending on..,..

All the new amazing toons and teams that can be coming for movies, books, cartoons, streaming shows do not mean crap from a money point of view if there is no where to use them to earn something outside of arena.

Ok, so new pve content is the answer. What do you want? I am not being sarcastic here, I can't think of anything they can do that basically isnt a reskin.
tvsfrink
6 years ago
"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1863772" wrote:
"TVF;c-1863756" wrote:
"evoluza;c-1863742" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1863737" wrote:
"Palanthian;c-1863701" wrote:
They would be making more money if they ever rotated the G12+ gear in weekly shipments, but they don't have the sense for it. 5 weeks of the same gear now!

I'm posting all the time about things they could be doing to make more money and satisfy people at the same time..... What I've come to realize is there are people a lot smarter than me dictating what they do because it will make more money than whatever I think.....

Sometimes I question the sanity of those people....but again fiscally speaking they are the ones with the "how to make money on phone games degrees from phoenix university" experts..... no matter what I think they have to be smarter than me right ? I'm just a drunk trailer park supervisor from sunnyvale...the liquor tells me what to do and think

You posting mostly ship stuff...
That does not make money and isn't enjoyable. I question your sanity, for liking ships.

Different people like different things.

Very true, me personally I have zero interest in Ships. I am leveling them for events etc but I do not persue PVP. I'm not interested in space battle on rails. That's me though, others like it.

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with not liking it. There's something wrong with calling someone else crazy because they like something you don't.