Leader skill should die with the leader!

Easy fix. Just fight opponents with toons in the leader slot that have no leader skill.

"Kurgen;c-1122778" wrote:
Lol... uniques should die with the char as should leader skills. If there's a bonus when they die then fair enough but that's where it should end.

Just because something has been in the game since the start doesn't mean it should stay.

Might make people try some different teams that protect the leader rather than the current 2 or 3 metas...

I man guessing most of the respondents either use maul or Rex...

Think of leadership abilities as a "battle plan" or "pep talk" before the battle (i.e. aggressive, stealthy, defensive, play fast, etc.) If a coach suddenly left the bench, the team wouldn't suddenly forget the game plan.

Secondly, players already run team that protect guys - heck, Chaze is used to protect DN most of the time.

Third, since almost 70% of the top players run either Rex or Maul as the lead (https://swgoh.gg/meta-report/) - you're not exactly stepping out.

Finally, as others have already stated, it works as it has always been intended - and it works fine. You know when you attack a team what the leadership ability is and what it does. Some of the "strategy" is learning how to play around the enemy's leadership ability. If they're running Zaul, toss is R2 to burn 'em or B2 to buff-block. Rex lead? B2 works there too, as does a quick "Daze and Stun" of Rex (and the rest of his team). Darth Nihilus lead also can work against Rex, as the Sith don't crit, giving his team TM.

Just food for thought - a part of Vader's leader ability stops working when he dies. His leader ability, I think, is the only one in the game that functions this way. I'm a big Empire supporter and this has always bothered me.

"Kurgen;c-1122778" wrote:
Lol... uniques should die with the char as should leader skills. If there's a bonus when they die then fair enough but that's where it should end.

Just because something has been in the game since the start doesn't mean it should stay.

Might make people try some different teams that protect the leader rather than the current 2 or 3 metas...

I man guessing most of the respondents either use maul or Rex...

'Something' has been in the game since the start because it was meant as such.

"Mega_Man;c-1122807" wrote:
Just food for thought - a part of Vader's leader ability stops working when he dies. His leader ability, I think, is the only one in the game that functions this way. I'm a big Empire supporter and this has always bothered me.

That ability should really be split into a separate Unique ability instead since Devs have decided to differentiate that Leader Abilities persist beyond death and Unique Abilities persist till death. Rather than creating an exception and then explicitly stating that it is a Leader Ability that acts like a Unique.

"Mega_Man;c-1122807" wrote:
Just food for thought - a part of Vader's leader ability stops working when he dies. His leader ability, I think, is the only one in the game that functions this way. I'm a big Empire supporter and this has always bothered me.

"always"? C'mon brohan, that part of his leadership ability was added when his Zeta ability was added...like 6 months ago and that has always been worded that way, else it would be OP. He's already one of the top 3 Zetas in the game by most people's way of looking at it.

"Huatimus;c-1122832" wrote:

"Mega_Man;c-1122807" wrote:
Just food for thought - a part of Vader's leader ability stops working when he dies. His leader ability, I think, is the only one in the game that functions this way. I'm a big Empire supporter and this has always bothered me.

That ability should really be split into a separate Unique ability instead since Devs have decided to differentiate that Leader Abilities persist beyond death and Unique Abilities persist till death. Rather than creating an exception and then explicitly stating that it is a Leader Ability that acts like a Unique.

The problem is, his 2 special abilities are already at Level 8.

"Nikoms565;c-1122841" wrote:

"Huatimus;c-1122832" wrote:

"Mega_Man;c-1122807" wrote:
Just food for thought - a part of Vader's leader ability stops working when he dies. His leader ability, I think, is the only one in the game that functions this way. I'm a big Empire supporter and this has always bothered me.

That ability should really be split into a separate Unique ability instead since Devs have decided to differentiate that Leader Abilities persist beyond death and Unique Abilities persist till death. Rather than creating an exception and then explicitly stating that it is a Leader Ability that acts like a Unique.

The problem is, his 2 special abilities are already at Level 8.

If you can give Tarkin a 5th skill that is a Unique, why can't Vader get a 5th skill that is a Unique?

"Huatimus;c-1122845" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1122841" wrote:

"Huatimus;c-1122832" wrote:

"Mega_Man;c-1122807" wrote:
Just food for thought - a part of Vader's leader ability stops working when he dies. His leader ability, I think, is the only one in the game that functions this way. I'm a big Empire supporter and this has always bothered me.

That ability should really be split into a separate Unique ability instead since Devs have decided to differentiate that Leader Abilities persist beyond death and Unique Abilities persist till death. Rather than creating an exception and then explicitly stating that it is a Leader Ability that acts like a Unique.

The problem is, his 2 special abilities are already at Level 8.

If you can give Tarkin a 5th skill that is a Unique, why can't Vader get a 5th skill that is a Unique?

Not that you couldn't - but obviously, the "DoTs remain" thing is pretty powerful and there really isn't a way to have multiple levels of it. I think they added to his leadership ability because it is powerful (and well themed with the rest of his kit) - but they probably didn't want to have to design and entirely new unique ability and then add the Zeta at the end.

"Huatimus;c-1122845" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1122841" wrote:

"Huatimus;c-1122832" wrote:

"Mega_Man;c-1122807" wrote:
Just food for thought - a part of Vader's leader ability stops working when he dies. His leader ability, I think, is the only one in the game that functions this way. I'm a big Empire supporter and this has always bothered me.

That ability should really be split into a separate Unique ability instead since Devs have decided to differentiate that Leader Abilities persist beyond death and Unique Abilities persist till death. Rather than creating an exception and then explicitly stating that it is a Leader Ability that acts like a Unique.

The problem is, his 2 special abilities are already at Level 8.

If you can give Tarkin a 5th skill that is a Unique, why can't Vader get a 5th skill that is a Unique?

True, but what part would become his unique? Most people zeta'd vader's leader because of everything it brought, you can't really change that to be a unique now and make it a non-zeta ability. They could however make his unique do a little something else, and then have the zeta upgrade of his unique double the TMR and TMR chance from his leader ability AND make DOTs not disappear, but then you'd lose half the TMR when Vader dies. Can't really make the unique have a zeta and give his leader the zeta as that'd be two zeta abilities and then people would have to put a second zeta on Vader or they'd give those who already had him zeta'd a free second zeta ability and everyone else would b**** and moan about it.