I have always respected CG's ability to create great character and ship game design. Most designs are good, and some are just brilliant (OG Zombie was perfection).But Leviathan mirror matches (with Sith Fighter, but we all use that lineup) is a coin flip, whoever goes first wins. Every time. No skill - there isn't even a pack B) The only good thing about it is that the coin flip happens at the beginning of the battle #SilverLining As you (CG) is looking at the performance of Leviathan against other fleets, could you please please please also look at the mirror. Remember, this is a battle your primary users play 5+ times each day, making it convenient should be a big priority. Look at the "auto able" JMK mirror matches for inspiration, the were the best!

I agree that mirror matches have to be considered in the design. It wasn't that much of a priority when Profundity was beating it easily enough, but when they adjust things to give Profundity trouble, they must look at mirror matches. Hope that they are able to strike the right balance.

It's a good way to force refreshes reducing overall crystal income. Just like them not addressing the gac skill squish leak despite it being brought up to them almost a year ago but I digress...

i don’t think mirror matches should be considered as part of designMirror matches in squad arena is a lot tolerable since you can manipulate turn order by going slower or faster or so on which makes it easier

Connor is about 95% correct, rarely does someone place a bunch of non-sith ships on defense but i did have an opponent put the Ebon Hawk in their reinforcements. It screwed up the AIs normal routine and I lost.I find it weird that the Mk6 can escape out of the destroyed hanger, seems like its a flaw or bug still. I hate the exceptions to the absolutes in this game, the list keeps growing.Ultra - strongly disagree. This ship was advertised as the new king of battle, mirrors must be considered. Why should mirrors not be considered? How are mirrors in arena fundamentally any different than GAC or TW? Arena is the main source of crystals for many still and many of us invested in the new meta-defining fleet to ensure we maintain those first place rewards. We have not seen a Levi in a TB yet. What fleet has an advantage when going slower? This entire game is based on the fastest turn over.Simply code in that the live player goes first in a mirror match or if ship composition is identical, the larger GP'ed fleet goes first. The we just pile on relics until its a coin flip and defaults to live player. Unlikely that many are going to R9 all 7x crew members.

"Ultra;c-2436205" wrote:i don’t think mirror matches should be considered as part of designMirror matches in squad arena is a lot tolerable since you can manipulate turn order by going slower or faster or so on which makes it easier Hard disagree - considering SA is largely obsolete, and mods are locked in other PVP game modes, I feel like this doesn't hold up too well. Mirrors should definitely be considered. It's the spenders and the hard core players that get the new shiny right away - willfully ignoring the player experience for those people (and later, everyone else that gets the new shiny when it's not so shiny anymore) is not a smart move. My motivation for chasing Leviathan was to make my fleet arena experience better, easier, less prone to RNG failures - none of those things were promised so it's on me I guess. CG clearly didn't want people putting SF in the starting lineup, or they wouldn't have coded MK6 to only come out 2nd if SF was 1st RI. But running SF to start is the only way to ease the pain of the coin-toss mirror matches. The problem is, once everyone brings Sith Assassin to max relics (and people will do it - not because they want to or because it's fun, but just to make mirrors less frustrating) we'll all be back to the coin toss nonsense. It's kind of perplexing that they didn't foresee this. I'm sure dagger is a great ship but I never get to use it, in particular in a mirror. SF MUST be in the starting lineup and neither Fury nor B28 can be benched. For a brief window of time, not everyone knew that and mirrors were a breeze. Not so much anymore. "Range1974;c-2436211" wrote:I find it weird that the Mk6 can escape out of the destroyed hanger, seems like its a flaw or bug still. I hate the exceptions to the absolutes in this game, the list keeps growing.I agree with most of what you're saying except for this. It states very plainly in the kit:"Mark VI starts with 10 stacks of Devouring Swarm, and can't be defeated or destroyed while it has Devouring Swarm."If I'm not mistaken that text hasn't changed since Mk6 was released. So it's very intentionally designed to circumvent the destroy affect of sabotage the hanger. Annoying, sure - but definitely not a bug.

Leviathan mirror is bad game design. Horrible in fact

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mhsiegel14
Seasoned Novice
2 years ago
When you proclaim a ship is going to push the Meta and be the top dog and are in the process of fixing it so that it can't be beaten by other ships, then, yes, mirror matches need to be considered. This ship never fails to disappoint, frankly. Can't win in ROTE. Wins but for modest banners in GAC and TW. And mirror matches, as noted, are basically a coin flip (even if you go first, you can still lose. Ask me how I know). Requiring a commander at R9 means that you can only increase speed through mods. So once you have all-gold mods, what then?

I predicted this would be the worst meta since Chimera and, so far, I'm being born out.
Xellius13
Rising Newcomer
2 years ago
Also after they finish “balancing” Chimera and fish (aka nerfing the living sh t out of them) mirrors will be mandatory ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️
ConnorMcLurk
Seasoned Newcomer
2 years ago
After having a weeks worth of data more, I still disagree. I win about 9 out of 10 matches regardless of going first or not and regardless of getting to ult first or not. This Meta is nowhere near where Executor was, when it was released. Yes the fights are kinda dull and pretty undynamic compared to Profundity, but the matches are rather easy to win.
Crispy508
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago
"ConnorMcLurk;c-2437072" wrote:
After having a weeks worth of data more, I still disagree. I win about 9 out of 10 matches regardless of going first or not and regardless of getting to ult first or not. This Meta is nowhere near where Executor was, when it was released. Yes the fights are kinda dull and pretty undynamic compared to Profundity, but the matches are rather easy to win.

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