I've been doing this battle every raid at Relic 5 level since the raid launched and it takes anywhere between 20 minutes and 12 hours of gameplay each time.Anyway here's my point, I love SWGOH but this battle is seriously irritating, I'm actually annoyed at how much of my time is wasted running way too many attempts. Now I understand that the raid is out and its not going to change but in future can we try to make having a fun a priority. High requirements (I'm referring to R8-9 not my own R5) etc fine but let me have fun once I'm there, it's a game after all. I shouldn't want to throw my phone over the horizon after playing. Another release like this and it might finally be time to make that healthy decision and let the saber rest.

The 8x Ult Journey event is also time consuming. Fitting in the raid around the beginning of a new TB + the UltJourney event (plus Proving Grounds for some folks) is the worst timing I've run across.

My Lumi squad gets max score reliably. I can't say every single time, but I can say that at least 5 raids out of 6 I have no restarts on Lumi. Haven't needed to restart twice on the same raid since the 3rd time we launched it. I get it, there's RNG, I'm not saying the raid is fun, but I remod 3 of my 5 Jedi, and everything clicks pretty well. The only time it doesn't work is when you get the bonus turns on Wave 8 and then you go into that wave with Potency up and kill everyone except one DDK + the leader (because one of the DDKs gets and early bonus turn and throws DmgImmunity up, then all your counters kill everyone else).When you get that combo, there's too much healing and DmgIm and dispelling going on because there are only two droids getting bonus turns. If it was lots of droids, then most of the bonus turns would just be attacks and you'd have a shot at dispelling DI and keeping it off until the DDK was dead. But with the DDK getting so many bonus turns, you never get a chance to kill it before it has DI again.It's a nasty thing, sure, but you can try to prevent it. And even if you get it, you've gotten credit for all the droid kills but the last 2. You're really close to max. If you don't want to restart, that's probably close enough. Again, I'm not trying to talk anyone into liking the raid, but I use Lumi, Kit, Shaak + 2 disposal Jedi and I find things to be really reliable. I can't be the only one.

I was going to leave something similar. About this raid, it looks amazing. My input on it, as far as playing it goes, is that there is just too much rng involved. If I'm going to put the effort, time, and sometimes money to relic the characters up, I shouldn't have to spend hours trying to get a max score. It takes the fun out of the raid and makes me not want to do it. I would highly encourage whomever actually builds these raids to make it a bit more player friendly. The investment a player puts in should be rewarded. I do hope the next raid is a bit more fun and rewarding for players, as well as visually stunning as this one.

Every time when I have to play this raid and this is often - it shows me the incompetence of CG. That's my playing experience atm - they ignore the community, they don't test new content, they don't fix bugs. And they don't read their own forum. It's really sad that the players aren't heard. No improvement for the raid... and a lot of people pay for this game, for this work...I'm not sure how bad will be the next raid - perhaps CG can top it.

I have notified my guild that until we need the points to make the next rewards crate I'm no longer even attempting this battle, not worth my sanity.

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BarerJoosh
Rising Newcomer
2 months ago
I was going to leave something similar. About this raid, it looks amazing. My input on it, as far as playing it goes, is that there is just too much rng involved. If I'm going to put the effort, time, and sometimes money to relic the characters up, I shouldn't have to spend hours trying to get a max score. It takes the fun out of the raid and makes me not want to do it. I would highly encourage whomever actually builds these raids to make it a bit more player friendly. The investment a player puts in should be rewarded.
I do hope the next raid is a bit more fun and rewarding for players, as well as visually stunning as this one.
Lunalae
Seasoned Rookie
2 months ago
Every time when I have to play this raid and this is often - it shows me the incompetence of CG. That's my playing experience atm - they ignore the community, they don't test new content, they don't fix bugs. And they don't read their own forum. It's really sad that the players aren't heard. No improvement for the raid... and a lot of people pay for this game, for this work...
I'm not sure how bad will be the next raid - perhaps CG can top it.
xjrkdda7f8ms
Rising Rookie
2 months ago
I have notified my guild that until we need the points to make the next rewards crate I'm no longer even attempting this battle, not worth my sanity.
- xviw049jvgjq
  Rising Rookie
  2 months ago
  In some ways I think our guild is doing the same thing. The gap between the 22 and 67 million crates is huge. Our guild is around 33 million right now. It would take some serious effort from everyone in the guild to bulk up their teams to get close to 67. All the while the members that can hit for 1.5-2.5 million are busting their butts to reach their max and stressing themselves out. Unless CG increases the personal incentives, it makes me want to just push auto and get about 65-75% of what could do on manual. If the entire guild did that we would still be getting the 22 million crate and saving us time and sanity. Then maybe 2 months from now we could push hard and see if we can get the next crate.
  - DUNCAN1919
    Rising Adventurer
    2 months ago
    Good point, we are in a similar situation as a few of us can get 3-6m each and the rest can just do whatever to get the 22m rewards.
    
    I'm sure the gap is deliberate meaning to bridge that it needs more investment across the board, although arguably for our 380m guild getting 1m plus out of the other 45 guild members should be fairly easy but then we have the RNG element that can make this hard if you aren't prepared to retry, and I fully appreciate why many don't.
    
    Someone at CG has tuned this perfectly, its almost admirable.
Thorvald4
Seasoned Traveler
2 months ago
How is it taking you that much time to do the Raid? Who are you using with her? I use Lumi, Kit, Shaak, KAM and Plo. With those guys I get the full 1.2 every time and it only takes me maybe 10 mins or less each time.
- Rius_975518199
  Rising Vanguard
  2 months ago
  That’s the same line up I use with the same result. I think some are stretching Jedi and using different line ups.
  - DUNCAN1919
    Rising Adventurer
    2 months ago
    Mentioned above similar and you are spot on.
    
    You can def assure the 1.2m with the optimum lineup but for myself I spread them to get the 6.2m reward:
    
    Gunghans 1.8m
    Amidala 1.8m
    Lumi 900k (without Shaak and KAM)
    Spare jedi (with Shaak and KAM) 900k
    B2 Maul etc 900k
    If I dont put Shaak and KAM with the spare Jedi Im a little bit short, but find the above can be done with no retries.
- DUNCAN1919
  Rising Adventurer
  2 months ago
  True.
  
  Just everytime I see a video about the 1.2m for Lumi I can't help but stick KAM and Shaak in the spare Jedi team to try and eek out a little bit more and take 900k on Lumi.
- CaptainAhen
  Rising Adventurer
  2 months ago
  My Gungans can net me 1.2m, but the problem is that it's not just a one and done attempt. The other night it took me well over an hour worth of attempts. Due to the constant healing and shooting from the droids, plus the cutscenes between waves, and usually being defeated on the final wave - it's time consuming. I might have a week where I beat it on the first run, and another week I barely get half of the desired score for several attempts. I won't even think about adding the time to manually do my attempts.
Tenebrae-3626
Seasoned Veteran
2 months ago
For me it's the Maul battle (R7) that makes me want to throw my phone through the window. I got the hang of the strategy, and my mods are decent (not god-tier, but not pathetic either), but with all that healing back to full health and protection, the enemies constantly outspeeding me (especially when a wave with STAP in it starts) and getting bonus turns because of the modifier is really taking its toll on my sanity.
Otherwise, yeah, I agree with what you said. There is so much RNG in this raid it's not even funny. As the difficulty increases with each tier, so should the bonuses (tier and hero) be decent enough to balance it out while still making it feel like a challenge. But just look at the hero bonuses, for example, they're downright pathetic compared to what we had in the Krayt raid. And take the Lumi team, it relies extremely on having both HoT and Potency Up to work, yet the moment the enemy gets the bonus turn modifier, you either end up with one of your toons (in most of my battles, QGJ) dead or you have a hard time keeping those buffs on because of how often the Command droid goes and uses his special (which FYI is bugged in terms of cooldowns, it's supposed to have a 3-turn cooldown, yet each time the droid uses that special it instantly starts at 2).
The Krayt raid was very good, it had new yet easy to understand mechanics, the difficulty was reasonable on any tier because of the bonuses. The only downside was that it ran too often at the time, and thankfully CG actually listened and decided to fix that. But ever since then, the raids have been nothing but ridiculous. The execution I mean. The ideas and themes at least were interesting.
MasterSeedy
New Ace
2 months ago
For people who have specific ideas about how to make raids in general more fun and less RNG dependent, there's a thread to collect those ideas:
https://forums.ea.com/discussions/swgoh-general-discussion-en/structuring-the-next-raid/4966732
Lunalae
Seasoned Rookie
2 months ago
I'm not sure why they don't change this raid - the feedback is always the same. This raid cost way too much time, is too much rng. Why we have a forum? It seems the posts are useless... I hope the next raid will be better...
When CG can't design a raid perhaps it's time to stop the developing of raids. No one wants to play a game mode where you have to watch the insane health/protection recovery and endless turns for the enemy. This raid is totally trash.
CaptainAhen
Rising Adventurer
2 months ago
There's not a single person in my guild who defends how fun raids are. Every single one of us are frustrated at the amount of time we put into it and are annoyed when it starts up. If you've seen me on other threads you'll know that I'm a big advocate for being able to SIM the raid, and other features that don't yet have the capability. And when it overlaps with other time consuming events, like conquest and a day that I've just run Profundity or Struggler's Run II, it's such a chore and hard to find motivation to even attempt it.
- MasterSeedy
  New Ace
  2 months ago
  The 8x Ult Journey event is also time consuming. Fitting in the raid around the beginning of a new TB + the UltJourney event (plus Proving Grounds for some folks) is the worst timing I've run across.
  - CaptainAhen
    Rising Adventurer
    2 months ago
    Yes! The combination of all of it is just too much. The UJ event is another I want to SIM, because I have all but two at 3 star and would love to get some of that time back from having to deal with rng there, too. Thankfully I'm at a point where PG had some easier battles the last few characters, and now I'm able to SIM those. But I feel for the people who are still working on some of the older ones. Those battles are ridiculous.
ZanirN7S
Seasoned Traveler
2 months ago
The problem with the raid isn't with one team, the problem with the raid is that you have eleventy trillion droids taking more consecutive turns than I have produced cookies in Cookie Clicker.
Krayt raid had some rng and required specific team, strategy and modding, but there was one enemy. Endor, 3 enemies. I can only imagine in the next raid we'll be fighting entire legions at once.
Whatelse73
Seasoned Veteran
2 months ago
You're right, but that doesn't matter to CG. They aren't concerned about this raid anymore (unless players find a way to make it easier for them, THEN they'll fix that). They are already working on the next raid, among other events to monetize.
And even at higher relic levels, it's not any easier and there's no less RNG. Except for the gungan team and the B2 Magna STAP Sidious Maul team. The other three are painful and annoying, even switching mods around.
- MasterSeedy
  New Ace
  2 months ago
  My Lumi squad gets max score reliably. I can't say every single time, but I can say that at least 5 raids out of 6 I have no restarts on Lumi. Haven't needed to restart twice on the same raid since the 3rd time we launched it.
  I get it, there's RNG, I'm not saying the raid is fun, but I remod 3 of my 5 Jedi, and everything clicks pretty well. The only time it doesn't work is when you get the bonus turns on Wave 8 and then you go into that wave with Potency up and kill everyone except one DDK + the leader (because one of the DDKs gets and early bonus turn and throws DmgImmunity up, then all your counters kill everyone else).
  When you get that combo, there's too much healing and DmgIm and dispelling going on because there are only two droids getting bonus turns. If it was lots of droids, then most of the bonus turns would just be attacks and you'd have a shot at dispelling DI and keeping it off until the DDK was dead. But with the DDK getting so many bonus turns, you never get a chance to kill it before it has DI again.
  It's a nasty thing, sure, but you can try to prevent it. And even if you get it, you've gotten credit for all the droid kills but the last 2. You're really close to max. If you don't want to restart, that's probably close enough.
  Again, I'm not trying to talk anyone into liking the raid, but I use Lumi, Kit, Shaak + 2 disposal Jedi and I find things to be really reliable. I can't be the only one.