I realize that the point of adding crystals to the arena payout likely has to do with "encouraging" people to participate in a game mode that many dislike or find too time consuming (I actually enjoy ships - and realize I am an oddity).However, the scale is pretty awful. One of the elegant things about fleet arena was that the payout scale was more linear. 1,800 fleet tokens for 1st versus 1,200 for top 200. That allowed players to try different lineups, participate as needed in a node that takes a little longer, etc. Not only were crystals introduced, but the scaling is actually far WORSE in ship arena versus squad arena, once you move outside the top 10. At 20 in squad arena, you earn 200 crystals (or 40% of the top payout). In fleet arena you earn only 100 at 20 (or 25% of the top payout). And beyond 20, no crystal reward at all. Even as far down as 100 in squad arena, players could still earn 20% of the top payout. With this seemingly "small" addition, fleet rewards have been drastically altered from a linear scale, which was fair to all players, to an extremely top heavy (again, even far worse than squad arena) model, which favors only the elite (i.e. whales). Sadly, for many f2p, guppies and even dolphins, many don't realize how this seemingly small addition only makes it worse for players at those level, making the rich richer over time. A very poor design choice. Extremely disappointing change. I realize the need to keep the whales happy - but many were just handed 20k crystals. C'mon man.

Negatory. On my shard my Squad* arena is ran like a mafia cartel. You either kiss the ring or a concerted effort is made to push you out of top 50 at the very least. The same people over and over again get the 400 and so on crystal, soaking it up like digital leeches and players just hand over the meaning of a free for all squad arena to the cartel bosses. In fleet arena I have a chance to actually get some crystal since I take first everyday and do not purposely block others payouts. It's more polite that way, but definitely nice to have a source for crystal that does not require me bending the knee to some person I'll never meet irl. It's free for all, albeit respectfully. Some of us enjoy the fleet arena far more than any other game mode, especially since fleet is more like a game of chess than it is Squad Arena checkers. Most king'd checkers will win. Fleet people considerably lower in Fleet Power can beat those higher than them using strategy and the right combination. CG did absolutely amazing with Fleet imho and contrary to normal in the feedback section, I'm gonna suggest CG did a fantastic job with this.

The rich become richer - this is so unfair and it discourages from playing. I thought there'll be times when I'll be able to move further up the ranks. But now I know that a handful of players will be getting hundreds and hundreds of crystals EVERY f*ing DAY, and thus will be building up their gear much, much more quicker than myself. What's the use in playing if I can't move futher up despite the fact that I'm a devoted player, although not that strong?

"DEATHCOYOTE;c-1300461" wrote:Negatory. On my shard my Squad* arena is ran like a mafia cartel. You either kiss the ring or a concerted effort is made to push you out of top 50 at the very least. The same people over and over again get the 400 and so on crystal, soaking it up like digital leeches and players just hand over the meaning of a free for all squad arena to the cartel bosses. In fleet arena I have a chance to actually get some crystal since I take first everyday and do not purposely block others payouts. It's more polite that way, but definitely nice to have a source for crystal that does not require me bending the knee to some person I'll never meet irl. It's free for all, albeit respectfully. Some of us enjoy the fleet arena far more than any other game mode, especially since fleet is more like a game of chess than it is Squad Arena checkers. Most king'd checkers will win. Fleet people considerably lower in Fleet Power can beat those higher than them using strategy and the right combination. CG did absolutely amazing with Fleet imho and contrary to normal in the feedback section, I'm gonna suggest CG did a fantastic job with this. You do, of course, realize that the same "kiss the ring" mentality will/is already happening in fleet, now that there are crystals involved, right?My fleet arena shard already has a chat, and is basically doing the same thing in fleet arena as is common practice in squad arena. That is, respect players payouts, work together and if you don't, you'll get "knocked and locked". It will be no different in a few weeks. Especially if people feel the need to focus more on ships - which the recent change and addition of capital ship power will do.

I'm glad my fleet arena is fairly low on whales. So far no shard chat is needed for the majority of the top players(including Moi as a F2P) to hit #1 at payout. Those +900 crystals for a f2p are a life saver. I can probably do the 4 refreshes on the Ackbar challenge and regain all the crystals I spent in 4 days at most. Thanks EA for finally giving us people who spent time on their fleet something to look forward to.

Definitely not a good change, imo. I am glad they limited it to the top 20 though, so the 100-200 bracket should still stay pretty laid back. As long as I can do my daily battle by forfeiting as soon as I enter, and still get 1200 fleet currency, I'm happy. Premium currency handed out in the teainwrecks that are SWGOH's competitive environments, come at a cost that I'm not, and never will be, willing to pay. I've got a $4k monthly entertainment budget that could go towards crystals if I ever wanted them, though, not even a miniscule portion of that ever will, until they reevaluate the way they view their community.

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TACP_TICK
8 years ago
Negatory. On my shard my Squad* arena is ran like a mafia cartel. You either kiss the ring or a concerted effort is made to push you out of top 50 at the very least. The same people over and over again get the 400 and so on crystal, soaking it up like digital leeches and players just hand over the meaning of a free for all squad arena to the cartel bosses. In fleet arena I have a chance to actually get some crystal since I take first everyday and do not purposely block others payouts. It's more polite that way, but definitely nice to have a source for crystal that does not require me bending the knee to some person I'll never meet irl. It's free for all, albeit respectfully. Some of us enjoy the fleet arena far more than any other game mode, especially since fleet is more like a game of chess than it is Squad Arena checkers. Most king'd checkers will win. Fleet people considerably lower in Fleet Power can beat those higher than them using strategy and the right combination. CG did absolutely amazing with Fleet imho and contrary to normal in the feedback section, I'm gonna suggest CG did a fantastic job with this.
Alikssepia
8 years ago
The rich become richer - this is so unfair and it discourages from playing. I thought there'll be times when I'll be able to move further up the ranks. But now I know that a handful of players will be getting hundreds and hundreds of crystals EVERY f*ing DAY, and thus will be building up their gear much, much more quicker than myself. What's the use in playing if I can't move futher up despite the fact that I'm a devoted player, although not that strong?
Nikoms565
8 years ago
"DEATHCOYOTE;c-1300461" wrote:
Negatory. On my shard my Squad* arena is ran like a mafia cartel. You either kiss the ring or a concerted effort is made to push you out of top 50 at the very least. The same people over and over again get the 400 and so on crystal, soaking it up like digital leeches and players just hand over the meaning of a free for all squad arena to the cartel bosses. In fleet arena I have a chance to actually get some crystal since I take first everyday and do not purposely block others payouts. It's more polite that way, but definitely nice to have a source for crystal that does not require me bending the knee to some person I'll never meet irl. It's free for all, albeit respectfully. Some of us enjoy the fleet arena far more than any other game mode, especially since fleet is more like a game of chess than it is Squad Arena checkers. Most king'd checkers will win. Fleet people considerably lower in Fleet Power can beat those higher than them using strategy and the right combination. CG did absolutely amazing with Fleet imho and contrary to normal in the feedback section, I'm gonna suggest CG did a fantastic job with this.

You do, of course, realize that the same "kiss the ring" mentality will/is already happening in fleet, now that there are crystals involved, right?

My fleet arena shard already has a chat, and is basically doing the same thing in fleet arena as is common practice in squad arena. That is, respect players payouts, work together and if you don't, you'll get "knocked and locked". It will be no different in a few weeks. Especially if people feel the need to focus more on ships - which the recent change and addition of capital ship power will do.
crazyhynter
New Spectator
8 years ago
I'm glad my fleet arena is fairly low on whales. So far no shard chat is needed for the majority of the top players(including Moi as a F2P) to hit #1 at payout. Those +900 crystals for a f2p are a life saver. I can probably do the 4 refreshes on the Ackbar challenge and regain all the crystals I spent in 4 days at most. Thanks EA for finally giving us people who spent time on their fleet something to look forward to.
snowhut11
8 years ago
Definitely not a good change, imo. I am glad they limited it to the top 20 though, so the 100-200 bracket should still stay pretty laid back. As long as I can do my daily battle by forfeiting as soon as I enter, and still get 1200 fleet currency, I'm happy. Premium currency handed out in the teainwrecks that are SWGOH's competitive environments, come at a cost that I'm not, and never will be, willing to pay. I've got a $4k monthly entertainment budget that could go towards crystals if I ever wanted them, though, not even a miniscule portion of that ever will, until they reevaluate the way they view their community.
TACP_TICK
8 years ago
"Nikoms565;c-1300567" wrote:
"DEATHCOYOTE;c-1300461" wrote:
Negatory. On my shard my Squad* arena is ran like a mafia cartel. You either kiss the ring or a concerted effort is made to push you out of top 50 at the very least. The same people over and over again get the 400 and so on crystal, soaking it up like digital leeches and players just hand over the meaning of a free for all squad arena to the cartel bosses. In fleet arena I have a chance to actually get some crystal since I take first everyday and do not purposely block others payouts. It's more polite that way, but definitely nice to have a source for crystal that does not require me bending the knee to some person I'll never meet irl. It's free for all, albeit respectfully. Some of us enjoy the fleet arena far more than any other game mode, especially since fleet is more like a game of chess than it is Squad Arena checkers. Most king'd checkers will win. Fleet people considerably lower in Fleet Power can beat those higher than them using strategy and the right combination. CG did absolutely amazing with Fleet imho and contrary to normal in the feedback section, I'm gonna suggest CG did a fantastic job with this.

You do, of course, realize that the same "kiss the ring" mentality will/is already happening in fleet, now that there are crystals involved, right?

My fleet arena shard already has a chat, and is basically doing the same thing in fleet arena as is common practice in squad arena. That is, respect players payouts, work together and if you don't, you'll get "knocked and locked". It will be no different in a few weeks. Especially if people feel the need to focus more on ships - which the recent change and addition of capital ship power will do.

Never happens on my fleet arena and I'm tens of thousands of power above everyone else. I don't try and make anyone bend the knee or spend considerable crystal for refreshes just to move me, and the second strongest fleet has admitted needing to use crystal refreshes on me. I have spent this entire time with a squad arena ruined by collusion and I'm not about to make everything horrible for everyone else when they try to get their payout. So, no... unless your shard is full of colluding terrible players, no.
TACP_TICK
8 years ago
"Crazylazyguy;c-1300586" wrote:
I'm glad my fleet arena is fairly low on whales. So far no shard chat is needed for the majority of the top players(including Moi as a F2P) to hit #1 at payout. Those +900 crystals for a f2p are a life saver. I can probably do the 4 refreshes on the Ackbar challenge and regain all the crystals I spent in 4 days at most. Thanks EA for finally giving us people who spent time on their fleet something to look forward to.

I finally agree with you, look at that! :D
TACP_TICK
8 years ago
@CG_Kozispoon the crystal addition is awesome. Squad Arena on my shard was already being ran like a Mafia Cartel, I kid you not. It was in no way a free for all as you would assume in an arena, it was bend the knee and kiss the ring of other players or get knocked well out of top 50 by a big group of colluding players who don't even attack each other but just hold each other's spots and take turns with a specific guild soaking up so much crystal over all this time. I put effort into my Fleet as it was a game mode NOT like this checkers of Squad arena but one offering more chances for strategy in fleet to fleet combat as in a game of Chess. So while others acted like it was a worthless mode, MANY of us found considerable enjoyment in it.

On my shard, I have the strongest fleet by far. Yet I don't sit there and collude and try and make other players bend the knee or anything. We are respectful and not trying to mess each other up for the most part and it's good fun. Some of us have different payouts and it is a competition, no waiting in line. So those of us stuck on squad arena cartel boss shards are glad to finally have a way to get some crystal at a payout and have a chance to spend on parts we need or refreshes or whatever else. This was a fantastic addition! Well done! The colluding only contributed to an ever widening gap between players so thankfully, we have at least some chance to catch up now.
ExarTheKun
7 years ago
I'm F2P. Free crystals for fleet every day is pretty nice.
NicWester
7 years ago
Honestly my only complaint about payouts is that if I do five attacks and win each one I can get to 100 or lower and get...... 50 more tokens and 8k more shipbucks. Alternatively, I can do 2 attacks to ensure I'm under 200 and get basically the same rewards.

I *like* ships. I want to do as much with ships as possible. But even I don't want to be bothered doing those extra couple attacks a day for that little increase in payout...