"Kyno;c-2090681" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090675" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090653" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090650" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090642" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090609" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090603" wrote:"Crowny;c-2090583" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090577" wrote:
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090943" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090681" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090675" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090653" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090650" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090642" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090609" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090603" wrote:"Crowny;c-2090583" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090577" wrote:
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090943" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090681" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090675" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090653" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090650" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090642" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090609" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090603" wrote:"Crowny;c-2090583" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090577" wrote:
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
"TVF;c-2090950" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090943" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090681" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090675" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090653" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090650" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090642" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090609" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090603" wrote:"Crowny;c-2090583" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090577" wrote:
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
Why would you assume anything else?
"ZAP;c-2090955" wrote:"TVF;c-2090950" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090943" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090681" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090675" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090653" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090650" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090642" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090609" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090603" wrote:"Crowny;c-2090583" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090577" wrote:
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
Why would you assume anything else?
How about the fact that 2 of the packs say “great mods” on them and the most expensive pack says “powerful mods” on it.
What does that even mean?
"TVF;c-2090957" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090955" wrote:"TVF;c-2090950" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090943" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090681" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090675" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090653" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090650" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090642" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090609" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090603" wrote:"Crowny;c-2090583" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090577" wrote:
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
Why would you assume anything else?
How about the fact that 2 of the packs say “great mods” on them and the most expensive pack says “powerful mods” on it.
What does that even mean?
Beats me. People should always do their research before buying something. Advertising is always deceptive.
"ZAP;c-2090959" wrote:
Y"TVF;c-2090957" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090955" wrote:"TVF;c-2090950" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090943" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090681" wrote:"SnakesOnAPlane;c-2090675" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090653" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090650" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090642" wrote:"ZAP;c-2090609" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090603" wrote:"Crowny;c-2090583" wrote:"Kyno;c-2090577" wrote:
they are showing you the stats you are purchasing, so there are not odds to reveal.
That might make sense if people didn't upgrade mods. Nobody cares if they have a level 15 mod with +6 speed, they care about what the eventual speed will be once they fully upgrade the mod. But I hear where you're coming from, lawyer speak and what not, make it sound like this ISN'T just gambling.
I guess it is lawyer speak, but that's because the question was speaking to a law that requires the statistics on purchased items to be listed. But this doesn't apply here because there are no odds in this pack you are buying what is shown.
this is the same as buying a toons packs, there is no guarantee that the toon you get will have any use beyond what you can see at the time of purchase.
I was just trying to clarify that we shouldn't confuse the 2 things when talking about what needs to be done "legally".
I thought they did list odds on character packs, when the possibility of shards is a range.
Let’s say a character pack offers 5-330 character shards. You buy the pack and then it auto rolls for you and the odds of how many shards you get are listed by clicking the odds tab.
How is that different than these mod packs, aside from the fact that when you buy the mod pack you have to manually roll to find out how the mod ends up?
There’s still a range involved in what you purchase and what you end up with, it’s not a what you see is what you get.
not when its a guaranteed number of shards. This is similar to that, not the 5-330 packs.
These packs and the ones with guaranteed number of shards list exactly what you are buying and are therefore not subject to those laws.
Ok, so you’re saying when someone buys one of these mod packs, it’s what you see is what you get and there is zero element of chance after the purchase?
So when you buy one of these packs, those mods do not and can not be upgraded with chance rolls?
No, there is no, zero, zilch degree of chance in the purchase, which needs to be revealed, because that is what the law pertains too. they make no guarantees or anything about the evolution of your purchase after it is made. just like any purchase you make without a warranty.
Kyno, but do you “feel” they should display the odds of the future potential of the mod, to be open, honest, and fair to the players, or continue to always use non-disclosure unless there is a specific law that requires otherwise?
Folks, here’s some odds to really put things into perspective:
Honestly, I am a data junkie when it comes to information, but statistics for things like this dont really serve a purpose. It doesnt change the outcome. Knowing what the rate of upgrade is not helpful since we have no way to gain advantage from knowing, it doesnt change how we farm, choose to upgrade or anything relevant to the mod itself.
I also dont think that those being available for this would make any real changes to the number of purchases. Do you?
Kyno, I do agree with much of what you said, however I do feel, to be open and most fair to the player base, they could have added a simple statement on the purchase screen that the mods themselves do not have any guarantee or a roll probability, that they are no different than any other mod.
Why would you assume anything else?
How about the fact that 2 of the packs say “great mods” on them and the most expensive pack says “powerful mods” on it.
What does that even mean?
Beats me. People should always do their research before buying something. Advertising is always deceptive.
While I agree advertising can often be deceptive, it’s certainly not always deceptive and definitely not always this deceptive.
