You made a hundred neat characters, gave them abilities, friends, synergies! It was great.Then you made a raid that you didn't want people to beat.So you disabled every kit, combo, and synergy, and made it a pure GP check.Counter Attacks? NOPEAssists? NOPETM Gain? NOPETM Removal? NOPEDouble Tap? NOPETRIPLE Tap? NOPEAttack Fast? NOPERezzes? NOPEBuffs? NOPEDebuffs? NOPETriggers? NOPEHeals? NOPEThe only reason expose was working was because it didn't count as an attack, but that's about to be gone too.So is the raid difficult? Yea. That was your goal. But there are a hundred different ways to make a raid difficult without taking away every aspect of what makes the heroes we are using fun.Nobody wants to slam their head against a wall 5 times a day getting 1m damage each by essentially white hitting and not using any abilities except the three provided by the raid itself.With that in mind, Time consuming =/= Difficult. Anybody can beat T6. It is a battle of attrition. Just throw in your best 5 squads and push auto every day for a week or a more. But if we are all essentially doing a Territory Battle length endeavor with this raid, maybe the rewards should be on par with that, rather than on par with a Pit Raid that we complete on auto in 4 minutes.

Slap in the face for darkside user.. most of DS char rely on debuff.

You all realise that when the tank raid came out it was the same issues right? Thats how they do stuff, the released it so only whale guilds can beat it, that lets the whales feel good about their money spent and lets them brag. Then they hard nerf the raid to a reasonable level for other guilds to be able to do.For instance with tank, normal mode toke most guilds 2-3 weeks to beat but after nerf those guilds could do it in 2-5 days. So we already know they will nerf hp a little as they said they were, and i expect they will also nerf tenacity so that debuffs can actually land, and heroic dmg will most likely be nerfed by around 30%.Though in my opinion the only thing they really need to fix is nihi as he alone can break guilds and with jtr losing expose dmg, p1 will just be awful

Not worth my time for crappy rewards. CG failed.

"TlMMEH;d-162100" wrote:You made a hundred neat characters, gave them abilities, friends, synergies! It was great.Then you made a raid that you didn't want people to beat.So you disabled every kit, combo, and synergy, and made it a pure GP check.Counter Attacks? NOPEAssists? NOPETM Gain? NOPETM Removal? NOPEDouble Tap? NOPETRIPLE Tap? NOPEAttack Fast? NOPERezzes? NOPEBuffs? NOPEDebuffs? NOPETriggers? NOPEHeals? NOPEThe only reason expose was working was because it didn't count as an attack, but that's about to be gone too.This is what I don't get. They literally design phase 1 to soft or hard counter 99% of toon or squad synergies and are then surprised that everyone that can just goes with JTR. It led me to just largely ignore phase mechanics and just throw teams against the brick wall figuring it would eventually get battered down by numbers. There's not much point in learning the complex mechanics if the raid is designed to soft or hard counter all of my best teams.

"TlMMEH;d-162100" wrote:You made a hundred neat characters, gave them abilities, friends, synergies! It was great.Then you made a raid that you didn't want people to beat.So you disabled every kit, combo, and synergy, and made it a pure GP check.Counter Attacks? NOPEAssists? NOPETM Gain? NOPETM Removal? NOPEDouble Tap? NOPETRIPLE Tap? NOPEAttack Fast? NOPERezzes? NOPEBuffs? NOPEDebuffs? NOPETriggers? NOPEHeals? NOPEThe only reason expose was working was because it didn't count as an attack, but that's about to be gone too.So is the raid difficult? Yea. That was your goal. But there are a hundred different ways to make a raid difficult without taking away every aspect of what makes the heroes we are using fun.Nobody wants to slam their head against a wall 5 times a day getting 1m damage each by essentially white hitting and not using any abilities except the three provided by the raid itself.This need to be quoted a million times, the raid is not hard its a gear check only, they removed half of whats fun with the game, the synergies, coming up with fun teams and dumb it down to this and to compensate they just give it tons more hp because thats awesome design.

New raid isn't difficult, its Dum

RacerDejak
7 years ago
Slap in the face for darkside user.. most of DS char rely on debuff.
Mithos_Sol
7 years ago
You all realise that when the tank raid came out it was the same issues right?
Thats how they do stuff, the released it so only whale guilds can beat it, that lets the whales feel good about their money spent and lets them brag. Then they hard nerf the raid to a reasonable level for other guilds to be able to do.
For instance with tank, normal mode toke most guilds 2-3 weeks to beat but after nerf those guilds could do it in 2-5 days.
So we already know they will nerf hp a little as they said they were, and i expect they will also nerf tenacity so that debuffs can actually land, and heroic dmg will most likely be nerfed by around 30%.
Though in my opinion the only thing they really need to fix is nihi as he alone can break guilds and with jtr losing expose dmg, p1 will just be awful
marstc09
7 years ago
Not worth my time for crappy rewards. CG failed.
Captain_Apollo4
7 years ago
"TlMMEH;d-162100" wrote:
You made a hundred neat characters, gave them abilities, friends, synergies! It was great.
Then you made a raid that you didn't want people to beat.
So you disabled every kit, combo, and synergy, and made it a pure GP check.
Counter Attacks? NOPE
Assists? NOPE
TM Gain? NOPE
TM Removal? NOPE
Double Tap? NOPE
TRIPLE Tap? NOPE
Attack Fast? NOPE
Rezzes? NOPE
Buffs? NOPE
Debuffs? NOPE
Triggers? NOPE
Heals? NOPE
The only reason expose was working was because it didn't count as an attack, but that's about to be gone too.

This is what I don't get. They literally design phase 1 to soft or hard counter 99% of toon or squad synergies and are then surprised that everyone that can just goes with JTR.

It led me to just largely ignore phase mechanics and just throw teams against the brick wall figuring it would eventually get battered down by numbers. There's not much point in learning the complex mechanics if the raid is designed to soft or hard counter all of my best teams.
harkain
7 years ago
"TlMMEH;d-162100" wrote:
You made a hundred neat characters, gave them abilities, friends, synergies! It was great.
Then you made a raid that you didn't want people to beat.
So you disabled every kit, combo, and synergy, and made it a pure GP check.
Counter Attacks? NOPE
Assists? NOPE
TM Gain? NOPE
TM Removal? NOPE
Double Tap? NOPE
TRIPLE Tap? NOPE
Attack Fast? NOPE
Rezzes? NOPE
Buffs? NOPE
Debuffs? NOPE
Triggers? NOPE
Heals? NOPE
The only reason expose was working was because it didn't count as an attack, but that's about to be gone too.
So is the raid difficult? Yea. That was your goal. But there are a hundred different ways to make a raid difficult without taking away every aspect of what makes the heroes we are using fun.
Nobody wants to slam their head against a wall 5 times a day getting 1m damage each by essentially white hitting and not using any abilities except the three provided by the raid itself.

This need to be quoted a million times, the raid is not hard its a gear check only, they removed half of whats fun with the game, the synergies, coming up with fun teams and dumb it down to this and to compensate they just give it tons more hp because thats awesome design.
Lekrom1982
7 years ago
+1000 to this.
This raid feels like a slog and though the graphics are great (and I love KOTOR lore) it's just a real trudge to get through.

Expose was not the thing that made RJT more relevant than other teams, it was the sky-high tenacity and the inability to attack the first uber raid boss with a basic attack or use any other team synergies.
DVZR
7 years ago
Yeah. If anything Nihlus just feels like a chore. Cut his health for phase 1 in half.

Also could just make them immune to TM and percentage health effects and let everything else work. That way you dont have to nerf expose and Would open it up to a lot more strategy.
emvedebe
7 years ago
every raid thusfar has been a GP check, so i'm not sure why anyone would expect this one to be different. While i agree that quite a few options aren't viable due to the raid mechanics, your list doesn't make sence to me.
SirLaggzalott
7 years ago
"Mithos;c-1488353" wrote:
You all realise that when the tank raid came out it was the same issues right?
Thats how they do stuff, the released it so only whale guilds can beat it, that lets the whales feel good about their money spent and lets them brag. Then they hard nerf the raid to a reasonable level for other guilds to be able to do.
For instance with tank, normal mode **** most guilds 2-3 weeks to beat but after nerf those guilds could do it in 2-5 days.
So we already know they will nerf hp a little as they said they were, and i expect they will also nerf tenacity so that debuffs can actually land, and heroic dmg will most likely be nerfed by around 30%.
Though in my opinion the only thing they really need to fix is nihi as he alone can break guilds and with jtr losing expose dmg, p1 will just be awful

That’s just it. With the expose nerf, even whale guilds are effected. This is all a ploy to cram future unreleased paywall toons to be crammed down our throat.
spiffy4433
7 years ago
"sw3dishtrex;c-1488508" wrote:
"TlMMEH;d-162100" wrote:
You made a hundred neat characters, gave them abilities, friends, synergies! It was great.
Then you made a raid that you didn't want people to beat.
So you disabled every kit, combo, and synergy, and made it a pure GP check.
Counter Attacks? NOPE
Assists? NOPE
TM Gain? NOPE
TM Removal? NOPE
Double Tap? NOPE
TRIPLE Tap? NOPE
Attack Fast? NOPE
Rezzes? NOPE
Buffs? NOPE
Debuffs? NOPE
Triggers? NOPE
Heals? NOPE
The only reason expose was working was because it didn't count as an attack, but that's about to be gone too.
So is the raid difficult? Yea. That was your goal. But there are a hundred different ways to make a raid difficult without taking away every aspect of what makes the heroes we are using fun.
Nobody wants to slam their head against a wall 5 times a day getting 1m damage each by essentially white hitting and not using any abilities except the three provided by the raid itself.