New TW matchmaking

It’s crazy to me that guilds would go through such shenanigans for a single extra zeta mat and a few scraps of gear. It’s not worth the effort.

"Shellzbutt;c-1704532" wrote:

"jhbuchholz;c-1704531" wrote:

"Shellzbutt;c-1704526" wrote:
Also when people leave after setting defenses in tw their squads should automatically be removed.
We are facing a guild with less people but 20milgp more.
Once they set defense 5 guys with a total gp of 16mil left straightaway
(Probably brought in just to dump all their high rosters on the front lines before going back to their own guilds to carry on with raids) while now we are left out gunned against their defenses they set before leaving.
They are no longer in the opponents guild so why should their squads still be there??
This is an exploit that harms the way tws are fought and should be rectified asap.
The opponents guild now during the attacking phase sits only 5milgp above us which is fair BUT the 16mil worth of squads dumped into their defense by now non guild members remain

I don't think I follow. The join period ended. The match was made. Both guilds set defenses. Then your opponent had 5 members leave. Doesn't this hurt them more than you? They have 5 fewer rosters for offense.

I'm not really sure what you think should have happened either. You get rematched?

No because even with those members now gone the opponents guild is still 5milgp higher than us.
And now they also have those 5 guys 16mil worth of high end defenses set.
Its a win win for the opponents

But the match was already made by then. If they had stuck around they'd be even stronger during the attack phase.

I still don't see how it's an exploit or even good for your opponent.

5 members set defenses and leave, getting no rewards. Loss.

Guild is matched as if all members will be present for defense and attack. Guild is significantly weaker for the attack. Loss.

Your defense has 5 fewer 3M GP rosters to stand up to. Win. For you.

Whatever..
If someone leaves remove their squads that all im going to say

"Shellzbutt;c-1704543" wrote:
Whatever..
If someone leaves remove their squads that all im going to say

How do you know they leave the guild mid TW?

"BrtStlnd;c-1704536" wrote:
It’s crazy to me that guilds would go through such shenanigans for a single extra zeta mat and a few scraps of gear. It’s not worth the effort.

^^ right? I brought this up awhile ago - especially about sandbagging. There seems to be a real edge to it. So like if you keep missing 600- you sit out a TW. Hit a raid early- etc etc.

I always liked the rewards in TW because they were low stakes. While I do agree there needs to be more updating after 160mil gp and up I’m not sure how.

This game is fun and the people I’m in a guild/alliance with make it more fun.

"Commander_Wolffe;c-1704165" wrote:

"Russdpipes;c-1704155" wrote:
What exploit there is no exploit for territory wars

The battle exploit, the fog of war exploit, etc.

* Battle exploit = allows player to alter the values of any character, allowing even a 1 star toon to one-hit kill an entire squad

* Fog of war exploit = allows player to see all of the defenses on all of the sections (even the ones still 'locked')

Then there's "not exploits, but not playing nice" things

* Having 100-150m GP guilds, intentionally down register to qualify for < 50m GP fights (sandbag), so even with 1-2 Traya and Revan and other uber (end-game) teams on the defense, it prevents the 40m GP team from even getting through the first section essentially guaranteeing them a win.
* In this currently matchup, my 44m GP team (qualified with 40m TW) is fighting a 115m GP team with dozens of Trayas and Revans, and we don't have a single Traya or Revan in our entire guild

Are you in my guild?
Because that sounds like every TW for me

I don't really care how the matchmaking works as long as it does. The difference between winning and losing is minimal, but it's frustrating/boring when your guild is mismatched with another - even if you're on the winning side.

"StarSon;c-1704373" wrote:

"Russdpipes;c-1704369" wrote:

"Gannon;c-1704318" wrote:
Also, wanted to come back and mention this cuz it's been bothering me.. Not sure why you guys use the term "sandbagging" rather than "exploit," in this case the latter is much more applicable. Just saying..

1 : to make productive use of : UTILIZE
2 : to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

...but it's all semantics.

sandbagging is not a real thing. our guild tells players not to join if they arent going to be active, not to "sandbag" anything.

if only 45 players join, then you get matched to a guild of like numbers with like average gp.

the part of the equation you are missing in your thought process is you get matched based upon total gp of all characters 6000gp and above.

so if alot of people in your guild have a majority of thier gp coming from a bunch of g6 g7 and g8 toons over 6000 go. your going to get matched to some people who have more dense gp and get killed.

keep your rosters lean

Almost all of this is false. I'll take you at your word that your guild has people drop if they won't be active. But the rest of it is just wrong. Matchmaking does not currently look at GP at all, or number of people that signed up.

So, while you may always happen to get paired with guilds that also are missing 4 or 5 people, that is not the norm. It is a well known tactic to either keep people out on a rotation for overall higher rewards, or to keep 2 or 3 ticket alts in the guild that don't join TW. This allows guilds to go in at 46 or 47, which usually results in a very favorable matchup for that guild. Certainly not always, but most of the time.

no it "was" exactly how TW did match making as has been said by the developers.

I dont see how leaving a few people out gives anyone an advantage. the whole purpose of the sign up period is to lock in your active GP and number of players so it can match a similar number of players with active GP.
I have reached out to multiple guilds we faced and have never had that crazy of an actual differnce regardless of what their total gp is.

one of the factors you are over looking is that all the toons under 6000gp are not included in the match making process which makes sense because they arent eligable to use. so while you might "see" a guild as having a large or small amount of GP, guilds with lean rosters have an advantage because they dont have a bunch of useless toons over 6000gp weighing them down in the matchmaking process.so anyone that has a gear6 jedi guardian or ugnaught (or any other crap toon) that is 6000+go, they are hurting you, because 4 of those toons equals roughly the same gp as a g12 cls or Rjt. 1 cls or rjt can solo 5 crap toons like that easily.

it's not the match making that's screwed up, it all the people with crap rosters.

my guild hasnt lost a TW yet. came close once, but today will be our 52nd win.

and it isnt from "sandbagging" we just tell people who dont have time to contribute to not join, because it hurts the guild to have to carry a member who puts up donuts on offense and defense.

it sounds to me like a bunch of whining. get a better strategy, build better rosters and start holding those that dont contribute accountable. it's not cgs fault.

try actually reaching out to the guild you're facing and see what their active numbers are

this was 2 TWs ago and we have won the 2 since also, never had a problem with matchmaking. like the time when our guild was 93 million gp and got matched to a 127 milliongp guild, and we wiped the floor with them.
it's a matter of strategy, skill, building lean powerful rosters, and holding people accountable to carry their weight and know how to take out teams