I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

Because you're supposed to get your own GL

Because you both made your choices. Get a GL.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?Because....they're worth it?

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?Yes, 300k GP worth of B-/C-squad toons taken to relics for my SLKR. But if you are facing one more more GLs then you must also have invested a comparable amount or resources to build up a comparable amount of GP."Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:Also, just because GAC has been around awhile does not mean I'm wrong. It's never been fair. All I'm asking is why?1) You cannot ignore GP in matchmaking2) It would be impractical to attempt to match rosters by specific characters3) Roster and resource management is as much a part of the game as combat"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:You say I'm wrong but you have nothing to back up your convictions. I was just paired with someone who has 2 maxed out GLs. How is that fair?You are responsible for your roster development choices and the matchmaking mechanics have been known for 2 years.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?Also, just because GAC has been around awhile does not mean I'm wrong. It's never been fair. All I'm asking is why?You say I'm wrong but you have nothing to back up your convictions. I was just paired with someone who has 2 maxed out GLs. How is that fair?1) It's not a better question. I have seen the requirements. I have also been playing since the beginning. I have 3 GLs. 2) I explained how it's fair. You are matched by the GP of your top toons. You chose to invest gear/relic levels in non-GL related characters. That was your decision. Don't blame GAC matchmaking because you don't want to develop your roster in a way that maximizes your GAC matchmaking.3) I absolutely "backed up my convictions" - by pointing out that there are non-GL counters to GLs. So even if you chose not to develop your roster toward GLs, you could have at least built it to counter them. If you wanted better GAC matchups, you should have (or should, moving forward) develop your roster with GAC matchmaking in mind. Ignoring the GAC matchmaking algorithm while developing your roster, then complaining about your roster in GAC, is not only pointless, it looks pretty silly. If you post your swgoh.gg profile, we can help you "fix" (or at least explain) your GAC matchup problems. But, if you simply keep complaining that it's "not fair" - it's not going to change and no one can help you.

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tvsfrink
4 years ago
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243132" wrote:
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.

I can't win. How is that fair?

Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.
shreby8
4 years ago
"TVF;c-2243135" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243132" wrote:
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.

I can't win. How is that fair?

Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.

I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.
tvsfrink
4 years ago
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243161" wrote:
"TVF;c-2243135" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243132" wrote:
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.

I can't win. How is that fair?

Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.

I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.

Yes it does
shreby8
4 years ago
"Gifafi;c-2243140" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243132" wrote:
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.

I can't win. How is that fair?

You can dig yourself out of the hole you’ve dug, it’s not too late. As @TVF said, get your own GL(s). When i started gac I hated it bc I always lost, then I got better about adjusting my roster choices to make gac easier for me, which made matchups easier overall and winning much easier.

Recently I took a bunch of chars to r5 for crancor, and now I’m getting “bad” (aka bad for me due to the decisions I made) matchups and not winning as much.

Now that I have plenty of crancor toons I can go back to being more selective on my choices, which will make gac easier again.

We can complain about gac mm rules, but they are what they are. We can either adjust our behavior or not, just don’t be surprised or upset at the very predictable outcome.

I am getting my own GL, but my opponents keep getting more difficult. I can't catch up.
shreby8
4 years ago
"ImaSmakya;c-2243143" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243019" wrote:
"Legend91;c-2242928" wrote:
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.

I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.

Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?

You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?
shreby8
4 years ago
"TVF;c-2243162" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243161" wrote:
"TVF;c-2243135" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243132" wrote:
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.

I can't win. How is that fair?

Because you made your choices. We all did. Get a GL.

I made choices. You made choices. We all made choices. The game does not warn of the implications of such.

Yes it does

Where.
shreby8
4 years ago
I'm not pushing for a big overhaul here, but you all have to admit I have a point, at least. I can't win. I can't say that enough. What is the point of competition if I'm not given a chance?

I don't care what should be changed or what the reason is for why players like me ended up in these matchups. I'm just saying, in any competition, all parties deserve a level playing field, in principle. Going up against 3 GLs to my none is not a fair shot. It's absurd.

Give me worse prizes for not getting a GL. I don't care. I just want to have fun playing this game again. That alone should lend at least some credence to my protest.
shreby8
4 years ago
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243164" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243143" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243019" wrote:
"Legend91;c-2242928" wrote:
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.

I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.

Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?

You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.

3 GLs vs no GLs. I can't win. That is not fair. Anyone got anything better than that to throw at me? I'm not wrong!
perfidius44
Rising Newcomer
4 years ago
Gac is a mode where strategy plays an important part. The point of strategy is getting you in a position to fight an unfair battle. So players who used about the same amount of resources to build their top 80 are matched against each other. The ones who made the ‘best’ use of their resources have the best army and start the battle with an advantage, sometimes a huge one if the opponent made questionable choices (regarding building a gac army, there are no bad choices per se imo). However, there is a point to make in the fact that those choices are definite as you can’t devolve a character. But matchmaking does it job as it allows strategy to play a central mode in the game mode imo.
aviv_hass
New Spectator
4 years ago
When I eat a lot of candies, eventually I'll get a tooth ache. Now, I can say It's not fair, or I can adjust my eating habits.
You made your choices. We all were. Now you complain why because of your decisions, you don't win as much.
Furthermore- you refuse to listen to the ways correcting your decisions.

Guess what? people don't relic Rose Tico, RP, Phasma, C3PO & Darth Sidious because the like it- they do it, they invest over 400k gp in order to get an advantage in Arena/GAC/Assaults and now Conquest too.

No matter how you decide to invest your resources, it come with a price. And you can pretend you don't know the price because the mechanics of GAC matchmaking was well known for over a year. You demand everyting will bend to you will and called it fair, but no, fair is letting people know how GAC matchmaking work, how the game works, and then give everyone the option to choose their own path. Everyone started from the very same point, and each one develop his rosters & ship by gis own free will. That's fair