Most recent Dev quote regarding raid sim in recent Q&A 2) The AAT sim has been discussed pretty recently. I would say that one has a good chance of seeing a roll out sooner rather than later (no promises on timelines). We have no immediate intent to sim the Sith Triumvirate. A large chunk of players are still working through itOn the surface that seems reasonable. Don't create a sim when the players are still playing the content. However lets also look at the dev requirements to be able to sim a raid!Post from CG_Crumb announcing raid sim on March 14So a guild must have 35 7* raid reward characters and 50 heroic completions. One might even say... the raid is old and boring by then. New guilds still working their way thru a raid wouldn't have the option to sim anyways.So tell me again why we can't have ALL raids have sim as a standard option upon release with requirements like this?We get tired of playing tired content! Especially with the HSTR and its toxic reward structure requiring you to fight your own guild for decent rewards.

I think you answered your own question in your last sentence. To sim HSTR, they'd have to give away too many G12 pieces vs just having a few guild members who finish in the top 10 receive them. They want to lower the progression of our rosters, not speed them up.

I would keep slogging through haat if they changed the gear rewards to useful stuff.

+1The HSTR reward structure really is pretty bad. I can hit for over 20M pretty easily when the opportunity arises, but p2 and p3 go by so fast that what stops me hitting 15+M isn't the difficulty of the raid or the quality of my characters, it's whether I'm on the game at the moment p2 goes live and whether I have 25-30 minutes to spend just then. Even if I do, I won't have the time to continue on and attack p4 with all my different squads to run my score up over 40M. The guild just takes it down too fast. And while, yes, all the other players in my guild suffer from the same difficulty, it's just no fun sitting around with the game open while you're waiting for someone else to finish off p1, and yet if you don't do that, you're guaranteed a finish no better than the teens where g12 gear trickles in at near-useless rates. This is a raid you'll be able to do at best 5 times in 20 days. with 2 salvage being the norm for the vast majority of folks, that's 10 of your desired salvage in 20 days or 30 every two months. So the motivation to score high is there, but the chance to score high isn't. I'm not competing in skill or even how wisely I've invested my resources in shards, gear, mats, and mods. I'm just competing on whether or not I can be online during the exact right 5 minute period. If everyone who wanted to and was on within an hour or two got a whack at each phase, then you could really say that your score was meaningful and that the best folks were rising to the top. The way the current raid is structured, i don't see that happening. And yet with such vast, vast disparities between top3 and 11-15 the motivation to try to score at the top is high. I just think this combination makes for a bad set of incentives and a lot of boring waiting. Honestly because of those things if I could only choose the ability to sim one, either HAAT or HSTR, I would choose HSTR.

"Daishi;d-220831" wrote:We get tired of playing tired content! CG doesn’t think HSTR is tired content. We don’t even have a team that can clear 2 phases yet.HAAT should be simmed 100%. Let’s not lose sight of that while everyone craves more G12+ gear.

"leef;c-2028939" wrote:HAAT is debateble, it's not like everyone in top200 guilds can just auto it like how it was with the rancor when that raid became simable. Relics have made the Haat easily autoable with a variety of teams. Bout time the Tank raid needs to go on the shelf.

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Costino1
5 years ago
I think you answered your own question in your last sentence. To sim HSTR, they'd have to give away too many G12 pieces vs just having a few guild members who finish in the top 10 receive them. They want to lower the progression of our rosters, not speed them up.
TheSithVicious
5 years ago
I would keep slogging through haat if they changed the gear rewards to useful stuff.
MasterSeedy
Seasoned Hotshot
5 years ago
+1

The HSTR reward structure really is pretty bad. I can hit for over 20M pretty easily when the opportunity arises, but p2 and p3 go by so fast that what stops me hitting 15+M isn't the difficulty of the raid or the quality of my characters, it's whether I'm on the game at the moment p2 goes live and whether I have 25-30 minutes to spend just then.

Even if I do, I won't have the time to continue on and attack p4 with all my different squads to run my score up over 40M. The guild just takes it down too fast. And while, yes, all the other players in my guild suffer from the same difficulty, it's just no fun sitting around with the game open while you're waiting for someone else to finish off p1, and yet if you don't do that, you're guaranteed a finish no better than the teens where g12 gear trickles in at near-useless rates. This is a raid you'll be able to do at best 5 times in 20 days. with 2 salvage being the norm for the vast majority of folks, that's 10 of your desired salvage in 20 days or 30 every two months.

So the motivation to score high is there, but the chance to score high isn't. I'm not competing in skill or even how wisely I've invested my resources in shards, gear, mats, and mods. I'm just competing on whether or not I can be online during the exact right 5 minute period.

If everyone who wanted to and was on within an hour or two got a whack at each phase, then you could really say that your score was meaningful and that the best folks were rising to the top. The way the current raid is structured, i don't see that happening. And yet with such vast, vast disparities between top3 and 11-15 the motivation to try to score at the top is high.

I just think this combination makes for a bad set of incentives and a lot of boring waiting. Honestly because of those things if I could only choose the ability to sim one, either HAAT or HSTR, I would choose HSTR.
TheRH0MBUS
5 years ago
"Daishi;d-220831" wrote:

We get tired of playing tired content!

CG doesn’t think HSTR is tired content. We don’t even have a team that can clear 2 phases yet.

HAAT should be simmed 100%. Let’s not lose sight of that while everyone craves more G12+ gear.
TheRH0MBUS
5 years ago
"leef;c-2028939" wrote:

HAAT is debateble, it's not like everyone in top200 guilds can just auto it like how it was with the rancor when that raid became simable.

Relics have made the Haat easily autoable with a variety of teams. Bout time the Tank raid needs to go on the shelf.
JonnySiniwali
5 years ago
"leef;c-2028939" wrote:
"TheRHOMBUS;c-2028932" wrote:
"Daishi;d-220831" wrote:

We get tired of playing tired content!

CG doesn’t think HSTR is tired content. We don’t even have a team that can clear 2 phases yet.

HAAT should be simmed 100%. Let’s not lose sight of that while everyone craves more G12+ gear.

HAAT is debateble, it's not like everyone in top200 guilds can just auto it like how it was with the rancor when that raid became simable.

What are you doing if you can't auto most of the tank?
RSithLord
5 years ago
"LendersQuiz;c-2028979" wrote:
TL;DR

What if you could sim prestigious quests?
TheRH0MBUS
5 years ago
"leef;c-2029002" wrote:

Just because it's possible doesn't mean that it's super common.

Clicking between phases, the rewards being weaker than Rancor, and “boring now” all seem like better reasons for a Haat auto team to be less common.

"leef;c-2029002" wrote:
Before the rancor was made sim-able auto-ing that raid was super duper common.

Yup. Only raid there was at the time. CLS came and put a final nail in that Raids coffin. Nobody was using Teebo Ewoks after that. The Game evolved and the raid was autoable. We are at that point now with haat. Rancor was all about TM and Haat added DPS + constant buff, etc. Relics have made the Tank as easy as Zader made the Rancor. It’s time to add that raid to my Gear mailing subscription. I love finding surprise Pit Rewards in my in-box.
MasterSeedy
Seasoned Hotshot
5 years ago
I love finding surprise Pit Rewards in my in-box.

This.
plindboe
5 years ago
"Daishi;d-220831" wrote:
On the surface that seems reasonable. Don't create a sim when the players are still playing the content. However lets also look at the dev requirements to be able to sim a raid!

Not just any raid. The second announcement is clearly talking about the rancor raid, so it's not like the devs are contradicting themselves.

Anyway, it made sense that the rancor raid became simmable, since a majority of members in many guilds easily auto'ed the entire raid. That's very different from the sith raid, where participants all compete for their place in the top50.

People can still benefit from investing in sith raid teams, so CG would be shooting themselves in the foot by making it simmable, which would remove all incentive to gear up characters that can be useful in the raid. In other words, there's no chance of it happening anytime soon, whether you find the raid boring or not.