I've been trying to get a Triangle Health Mod for the past 5 days, burning through all my energy plus two refreshes (said in another thread). ZERO.And since the 6am refresh this past Friday, there have been no sighting of the Shoretrooper in the shipments. Every refresh is Baze. Baze. Baze. Baze.This is aggrivating as hell and makes me think this isn't true RNG.

true RNG also means some people have bad luck. If a thousand people flip 10 coins you can expect that one of them has all heads for example even though the average is 5 heads 5 tails

"leef;947646" wrote:define "true RNG"I'm saying I think this game determines what you want and then makes it impossible to get. Before I decided to farm Shoretrooper he and Baze switched off regularly. But all of a sudden, when I purchase crystals to dedicate to Shortrooper last Thursday (pay day), he's nowhere to be found. I bought one 8 shard shipment then and one 4 shard on Friday morning. Now...he's ghost. I have all these 4 and 5 star health mods, constantly getting more and more. But once I got it down to only needing the Triangle mod, ZERO.This makes absolutely no sense.

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robertmenn
8 years ago
"Tharivol;947861" wrote:
"Allenb60;947824" wrote:
"AtlasMKx;947821" wrote:
It makes no sense that to get you to spend more money, they would remove the character that you are spending crystals on to get. Why are the forums all of the sudden infested with these tin foil hat theories that that game is suddenly out to **** over? I managed to unlock a 6 star Slave 1 because the shards keep on showing up, but to get a 5 star Umbaran took longer and it's more common. It's RNG, it's random, it's not out to get you.

It makes sense because refreshes cost crystals. I'm pretty sure he is just having bad luck though

I was in the same situation too, 5*'d Shoretrooper. It used to show up 50% of the time, rotating with Baze. But after a while it felt like 10% Shoretrooper to 90% Baze.
Same with gear drops or character shards. When you get very close to finishing up a Gear (48/50ish) or getting close to increasing a character's * Level, the drop chances feel a loooot less than the usual.

Of course it can be just "Selective Perception" or very well be a marketing tactic with a coding, to get people to spend crystals for Shipment Refreshes, or to buy more energy.. Since when you are 98/100 shards to 7* a character you are much more likely to refresh that energy than when you are only 1/100. (Same with Gear too, especially if that particular gear part will increase your gear level)

Well we will never know :)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It just seems fishy to me. And it's happened with other characters too. That's why I think it's coded in a way that makes it harder for you to complete a character or mod set.

But like you said, we'll never really know.
Demran5
8 years ago
"Roken_Fett;947870" wrote:
"Tharivol;947861" wrote:
"Allenb60;947824" wrote:
"AtlasMKx;947821" wrote:
It makes no sense that to get you to spend more money, they would remove the character that you are spending crystals on to get. Why are the forums all of the sudden infested with these tin foil hat theories that that game is suddenly out to **** over? I managed to unlock a 6 star Slave 1 because the shards keep on showing up, but to get a 5 star Umbaran took longer and it's more common. It's RNG, it's random, it's not out to get you.

It makes sense because refreshes cost crystals. I'm pretty sure he is just having bad luck though

I was in the same situation too, 5*'d Shoretrooper. It used to show up 50% of the time, rotating with Baze. But after a while it felt like 10% Shoretrooper to 90% Baze.
Same with gear drops or character shards. When you get very close to finishing up a Gear (48/50ish) or getting close to increasing a character's * Level, the drop chances feel a loooot less than the usual.

Of course it can be just "Selective Perception" or very well be a marketing tactic with a coding, to get people to spend crystals for Shipment Refreshes, or to buy more energy.. Since when you are 98/100 shards to 7* a character you are much more likely to refresh that energy than when you are only 1/100. (Same with Gear too, especially if that particular gear part will increase your gear level)

Well we will never know :)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It just seems fishy to me. And it's happened with other characters too. That's why I think it's coded in a way that makes it harder for you to complete a character or mod set.

But like you said, we'll never really know.

I dont know why but that message of mine got deleted. I was trying to edit it all of a sudden it got erased..

I was right about to edit and say: "I just spent 50 energy (5 battles) for Stun Cuffs while it was on 47/50 and got 3 parts. And that I am weighing more on the: it is probably "Selective Perception" theory than "it is an evil Ea Plan" theory right now. But than all of a sudden my message got deleted so, I'm not sure anymore :D
Nikoms565
8 years ago
"sneeekypants;947797" wrote:
"Nikoms565;947744" wrote:
"sneeekypants;947718" wrote:
-RNG doesn't mean even odds
-At least some of the odds are dynamic
-Everything is subject to bugs, and there are A LOT in this game

Arrow, triangle and cross mods drop at a far lower rate than the fixed primary left side from challenges, just like whites drop far more than golds.

I agree with the above - except for the bolded. Source?

It's either:

A) observational based on insufficient data
B) assumptions based on standard practice on F2P platforms
C) factual based on things which would cause the post or thread to be deleted

Or combination of all or none.

A better question is why do you think it wouldn't be? It's a for profit, public SW company.

Two quick points:

In response to C - no thread has ever been deleted for simply providing factual information (aside from identities of cheaters). So if you have actual facts and data that support your claims, please post them.

In response to your question - again, Google "Occam's Razor" - in response to A & B above, feel free to also Google "Confirmation Bias".

As several people have already posted, the work, time, effort and complexity of developing some sort of dynamic RNG that would respond to your entire inventory and what the game thought you were attempting to farm, level, etc. is far too immersive for a development team that can't fix Teebo's stealth (no offense to them).

Secondly, they wouldn't have to go to all that trouble. Slot machines are random - and well monitored for their accuracy in RNG - and casinos are making money hand over fist. There's a reason Las Vegas builds multi-billion dollar casinos - and it aint because they're losing money - or not making it fast enough. There's no reason to manipulate the odds - they don't have to and it's far too much work.

Finally, be careful - I've heard that tin foil hats can get very sweaty.
AtlasMKx
8 years ago
When the game throws you a bone and gives you really good RNG no one seems to take notice. But if it doesn't give a specific Shard you really want, it's got to be the nefarious programing of the evil Devs. I've had both good and bad luck and it balances out. I'll agree that we won't ever know how it's coded and it's all speculation.
Demran5
8 years ago
"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
feel free to also Google "Confirmation Bias".

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
In response to C - no thread has ever been deleted for simply providing factual information (aside from identities of cheaters).

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
As several people have already posted, the work, time, effort and complexity of developing some sort of dynamic RNG that would respond to your entire inventory and what the game thought you were attempting to farm, level, etc. is far too immersive for a development team that can't fix Teebo's stealth (no offense to them).

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
Secondly, they wouldn't have to go to all that trouble. Slot machines are random - and well monitored for their accuracy in RNG - and casinos are making money hand over fist. There's a reason Las Vegas builds multi-billion dollar casinos - and it aint because they're losing money - or not making it fast enough. There's no reason to manipulate the odds - they don't have to and it's far too much work.

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
Finally, be careful - I've heard that tin foil hats can get very sweaty.

"SumiXam;947735" wrote:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMOlv24JZKP3YgDPoOywUSgTx6pOvmcd5o1t_xIXcPdOalwKY9

Irony: noun
a situation in which something which was intended to have a particular result has the opposite or a very different result.
jackwashere5555
8 years ago
Like someone said above the algorithm is broke somewhere in the game or the programmer did it wrong. I was beating CW every time but now it's like I have been denied. Who is doing this I can tell you it's not me I have good characters and was having no problems before. So someone needs to check what it wrong with this game. Some people may say RNG can't be manipulated but check again it's all in the numbers. Seen it in other games I play and it's obvious.
happypfe
New Spectator
8 years ago
"Lestat;948268" wrote:
Like someone said above the algorithm is broke somewhere in the game or the programmer did it wrong. I was beating CW every time but now it's like I have been denied. Who is doing this I can tell you it's not me I have good characters and was having no problems before. So someone needs to check what it wrong with this game. Some people may say RNG can't be manipulated but check again it's all in the numbers. Seen it in other games I play and it's obvious.

GW scales as you grow stronger. What you are seeing is normal.
Horish
8 years ago
"Nikoms565;947694" wrote:
OP - Google "Occam's Razor"

Occam's razor doesn't apply here
J0K3R_RtP
8 years ago
"Tharivol;947966" wrote:
"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
feel free to also Google "Confirmation Bias".

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
In response to C - no thread has ever been deleted for simply providing factual information (aside from identities of cheaters).

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
As several people have already posted, the work, time, effort and complexity of developing some sort of dynamic RNG that would respond to your entire inventory and what the game thought you were attempting to farm, level, etc. is far too immersive for a development team that can't fix Teebo's stealth (no offense to them).

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
Secondly, they wouldn't have to go to all that trouble. Slot machines are random - and well monitored for their accuracy in RNG - and casinos are making money hand over fist. There's a reason Las Vegas builds multi-billion dollar casinos - and it aint because they're losing money - or not making it fast enough. There's no reason to manipulate the odds - they don't have to and it's far too much work.

"Nikoms565;947909" wrote:
Finally, be careful - I've heard that tin foil hats can get very sweaty.

"SumiXam;947735" wrote:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMOlv24JZKP3YgDPoOywUSgTx6pOvmcd5o1t_xIXcPdOalwKY9

Irony: noun
a situation in which something which was intended to have a particular result has the opposite or a very different result.

Not sure what result u were going for, but u just proved all that was said wasnt irony, while trying to give examples of irony. How ironic
happypfe
New Spectator
8 years ago
"HorishBathens;948285" wrote:
"Nikoms565;947694" wrote:
OP - Google "Occam's Razor"

Occam's razor doesn't apply here

It can apply,

"If you have two theories that both explain the observed facts, then you should use the simplest until more evidence comes along"
"The simplest explanation for some phenomenon is more likely to be accurate than more complicated explanations."
"If you have two equally likely solutions to a problem, choose the simplest."
"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."

The simplest explanation is that the drops are random according to the most common form, a Gaussian distribution, and people don't like it when they get bad drops.