SEE definitely needs a buff!

"Eweff;c-2184068" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2184066" wrote:

"VelvetDiamond_R6;c-2184062" wrote:
Kyno, apologies. Lets keep this back on topic.

I just feel as all this effort farming these horrible characters for him were for nothing right now, just a bit angry he has like 6 or 7 counters or more. God knows, i lost track now.

He should not be so easy to kill, nor should his team.

I agree they should keep an eye on this.

GEOS - do you have a video?

NS - There seems to be some upgrades missing on that SEE, unless I missed something.


The main reason I said what I said, was if somehow getting the ultimate upgraded means that 4 of these counters go away, then it's not fair to say he should be buffed based on his non ultimate situation.

They are designed to have the ultimate, it's not fair to look at them without it (when looking for changes to be made), when it's one of the major parts of their design.

Weren’t you arguing earlier that GLs under other leads could be viable? But SEE and JML won’t get their ultimates under other leads.

I think that was me, not Kyno.

Anyway, I think the GLs are mostly designed to be used with their own leads. But that doesn’t mean they’re useless outside of them. Rey works under GAS, SLKR can loop ultimates under KRU and needs Hux lead to solo HSTR, and we’ve all seen Bastila lead JML, along with JKL lead and maybe even JKR. Why not SEE?

And I think SEE can get his Ult out of his lead. You need 50 abilities used by Decieved opponents. On average, thats 10-11 turns for each opponent, not counting assists (which are significant for teams like Geos, Clones, Padme, CLS...). That should be at least possible for a survivability-based Sith team, especially Traya Lead.

Will it work vs SLKR or be “better” than SEE lead when fighting GLs? Probably not. Is it possible? Yeah.

(JML is probably impossible to get to ult outside of lead, fair. But he doesn’t need it nearly as much as SEE does.)