Floating an extra zeta, been able to get 8% on p1 heroic and was gonna start saving for the Yoda team but I'm months off of that. Is self preservation worth it for sith raid ? My r2 tends to die first hoping it will help smoking bb8 .

"Woodroward;c-1585313" wrote:"Vendi1983;c-1585305" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1585281" wrote:"leef;c-1585025" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1584936" wrote:Cleansing as you crit means Nihilus never gets bonus protection and your team doesn't routinely take massive damage for attacking with basics whilst having defense down. I don’t think this is correct. It is though. Nihilus never gets bonus protection from JTR teams due to A: healing immunity preventing it at the start of his turns, and B: R2's auto cleanse preventing it when your characters attack him.While you can still take damage for attacking him with defense down on you, it isn't routine because it'll never happen 2 turns in a row.You don't take damage for attacking him with defence down. If you attack with defence down using A BASIC, Nihilus regenerates protection. Hence why tenacity and/or cleanse are key against Nihilus.You need to reread his abilities. He regenerates protection AND you take damage. No need to belabor the basics part, I started by saying that and shortened it, it's in the quotes.To be fair, you take damage to protection, which is basically irrelevant since he ignores protection anyway. Only place this would be relevant is in P4 since there's also Sion and BOW present.

"leef;c-1585433" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1585281" wrote:"leef;c-1585025" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1584936" wrote:Cleansing as you crit means Nihilus never gets bonus protection and your team doesn't routinely take massive damage for attacking with basics whilst having defense down. I don’t think this is correct. It is though. Nihilus never gets bonus protection from JTR teams due to A: healing immunity preventing it at the start of his turns, and B: R2's auto cleanse preventing it when your characters attack him.While you can still take damage for attacking him with defense down on you, it isn't routine because it'll never happen 2 turns in a row.I should have specified, i meant not taking damage while using a basic with def down. I don’t think that’s true. I’m not sure if the cleanse stops nihilus from gaining protection either, but that’s irrelevant, as you said, due to the healing immu debuff being present the entire run. I’m not a 100% sure though.Regardless of all of that, its a useless zeta for p1 JTR STR. Even if you take damage from using basic whilst debuffed with def down, its vs your protection so it doesnt matter anyway. De def down only lasts 1 turn, so even without the cleanse on crit the debuff would have expired anyway and it doesnt prevent the def down from being re-applied. Having to use a basic when you have def down doesnt happen very often, so even if not taking prot dmg is important to you (assuming you’re correct), its still a situational zeta at best. Also, if you’re taking dmg from the adds you’re doing it wrong and nihilus his basic ignores protection aswell.Great zeta, but doesnt add anything in for a Jtr team in p1 STR.For reference:Everyone's allowed to have their own point of view, but sometimes that point of view is wrong. Unfortunately that's you here. R2's zeta stops him from gaining bonus protection when you attack him while you have defense down. Healing immunity does not. I've landed healing immunity on him with my droids and watched him gaining bonus protection anyway. Healing immunity ONLY stops the bonus protection at the start of his turn. ONLY not having defense down when you attack him with a basic prevents him gaining it on your turn. There's no debate about it, R2's zeta will improve your offense against Nihilus. Trying to say having the adds alive to hit you means you're doing it wrong is a deflection away from the point that there are still attacks that hit protection, so it isn't worthless, so R2's zeta absolutely gives your team more survivability... with adds. So let's not get elitist on strat up in here. I prefer to kill the adds with R2's AoE alone.So, and this isn't an opinon, R2's zeta GUARANTEES improved survivability and increased offense for your team against Nihilus in P1.

used a basic with def down 3 times total in this vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1a5hqTKYUI&t=430sused a basic with def down 5 times total in this vid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ebER5Sm1ok&t=134sProbably too "elitist" for you, the selfproclaimed teacher (wich was a nice touch), but it does show how little R2's zeta comes into play, even if it does prevent the negative effects of using basics with def down. I'm still going to test that when i get the chance, i've no problem conceding if it turns out you were correct about that.JTR's lead CD reduction is actually way better than you give it credit for, it pairs really well with bb8. The TMR is also way better than you give it credit for, especially combined with the CD reduction. Saying R2's zeta is the most important/effective zeta on the whole team for p1 is just laughable. It's extra funny because you're so arrogant ;)

No idea where this thread took off too...but found the info for original question on reddit so feel free to virtually joust it out, most attention one of my posts has ever gotten lol.

Just chiming in, JTR lead zeta definitely better for P1 than either of R2's. Though both of R2's are great. The bit I'm not understand is how its preventing him regaining protection. So a character with defence down crits and cleanses, but shouldn't the protection regain happen after the hit but before the cleanse? Or is it crits from specials remove defence down so its safe to hit him with a basic?Personally, my zeta order would be: JTR lead, R2 NC, BB8 RWTP, JTR Virtuous Protector, BB8 Self Presevation or R2 Combat Analysis, then the other one, then JTR Insight. That's if I was to zeta them now with P1 in mind, already had both R2's ages ago.

Self preservation zeta for sith raid

almightywood
7 years ago
To be honest I don't think Scav Rey is a good choice on this part of the raid since she speeds Nihilus up a lot. Her flurry of blows has the potential to damage Nihilus 8 times in a single attack granting him 240 speed and 40% tm.

It does hit for a lot, but 8X a normal attack? I don't think so. Which makes it a net loss.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
Sorry @Woodroward I don't buy it. No way you can do 9m-10m on a single P1 run with Chirrut. I just used Finn in place of Rey, did 6.7m. With Rey I can do 7m to 7.5m. With Chirrut you gain absolutely nothing (I don't need a healer to survive to enrage) and you lose out on a bunch of exposes. Unless you have a video, or at least a screenshot, I don't believe you.
ChristophIV
Hero+
7 years ago
"TVF;c-1589649" wrote:
Sorry @Woodroward I don't buy it. No way you can do 9m-10m on a single P1 run with Chirrut. I just used Finn in place of Rey, did 6.7m. With Rey I can do 7m to 7.5m. With Chirrut you gain absolutely nothing (I don't need a healer to survive to enrage) and you lose out on a bunch of exposes. Unless you have a video, or at least a screenshot, I don't believe you.

I run Chirrut purely for annihilate recovery in P1 tier 4, because RT and Rey ate missing key health steal pieces. Best I manage is around 4.7m. No chance they can nearly double that score.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
So what's your strategy, what are your mods, and how can you explain the same team doing several million more with the only difference being Chirrut instead of Finn?
tvsfrink
7 years ago
Again, Chirrut brings no damage to that team. And the tenacity up and healing are both unnecessary to the P1 JTR team. I'd love to believe you're on to something but you've provided nothing that indicates how this could actually work. 9m with that team on a single run in T4 P1 is not possible. If it were, you could probably do 12m with another Res in Chirrut's place, and you wouldn't be the only one doing it.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
I tried to ask how you are doing it and you refuse to explain. I give up.
almightywood
7 years ago
"TVF;c-1589940" wrote:
I tried to ask how you are doing it and you refuse to explain. I give up.

No you didn't. You told me what I did was impossible and gave distorted numbers. 9mill with Chirrut would equal 12 mill with another member? You experienced less than a 10% drop in offense Chirrut the one time you used him. By your experience getting 9 mill with Chirrut could equate to getting 10 mill with another resistance.

How many runs did you do with Chirrut? How geared up is your Chirrut? How is your team modded? You told me I was lying and it was impossible but refused to give me info.

You've given up on me? I gave up on you when you started attacking me. How about you tell me what you did and I can point out things I did differently instead?
tvsfrink
7 years ago
I've never used Chirrut. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
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almightywood
7 years ago
"TVF;c-1589946" wrote:
I've never used Chirrut. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You're right, I thought you tried it with Chirrut. Misremembered. I was wrong there.

You are running crit damage and crit chance mods at least I hope (not important for BB8, but everyone else, yeah) prioritizing offense over speed for Trooper and JTR?

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