Shard Chats = cheating

"Robotolove;c-1512572" wrote:
It turns a PVP match into PVP+P+P+P match. In a free for all competition teaming up defeats the purpose.

You ever watch the movie gladiator? When Maximus got all the gladiators to cooperate and slaughter the ones in chariots who were supposed to win? xD

top players earned their spots, and if they are over a year or 2 are holding #1 ranks, there's a reason for it, and its not the shard chats. they dont "need" the help, they can do jsut fine without it, but it will cost them bit more crystals - and the others will pay much more crystals.
soo @Graives can we stop with this lie ? you dont even believe yourself. you wanna try snipe them ? good luck. i wouldn't recommend.

"BubbaFett;c-1576453" wrote:

"Jedi_of_Oz;c-1574626" wrote:
Amusing.

Collusion in arenas exist because most players are pragmatic and have determined that it is the best means to co-exist with your otherwise rivals. The fact that payouts occur anytime between 5PM and 7PM for most players is ridiculous and most people have serious commitments during those times.

If not for shard chats, SWGOH life would be a lot more stressful. Imagine worrying about getting sniped while you're participating in work meetings, driving home, playing a game of sport or having dinner with your family.

If you build a strong team, you can achieve a good tank without having to worry...... Just curious, when you are "playing a game of sport", do you or your team take turns with the others so you can arrange the standings and match outcomes?

When I play my sport, I give up 4-5 hours of my Saturday arvo - occasionally on Sundays also - so I play to win given the time investment required. But then again, I play sport at amateur level and I'm not playing for sheep stations.

Professional sport with wagering outcomes is littered with examples of teams that have tanked in order to engineer certain outcomes. The Philadelphia 76'ers is one such example. They played poorly for several consecutive seasons in order to engineer obtaining high draft picks. The strategy executed is now bearing fruit as they have an arsenal of excellent, young talent which is helping them to finally realise success on the court.

Football (soccer) world cups also have had numerous examples where teams sabotage group games so to engineer a more favourable match-up in subsequent knock-out phases. Hypothetically, let's say you've played two group games which has made elimination from the group impossible and advancement to the next phase a certainty. If you win your final game, you'll be paired with Brazil. If you draw or lose, you'll be paired with say... Sweden. Would you play to your best and certainly meet Brazil next; or rest a few of your best players and potentially draw/lose so you could meet Sweden, a lower ranked opponent?

Bringing this back to SWGOH, the time investment required is significant if you want to perform at a strong to elite level. Part of that requires good performance in arenas. If a group of similarly minded, similarly time poor individuals, are able to co-operate together to optimise outcomes and limit the otherwise time investment each person is required to make, what is the harm in that? Do I make myself crystal clear?

"Razor053;c-1575920" wrote:

"Graives;c-1575467" wrote:

The sense of entitlement cuts both ways, really. Some of you guys have colluded and hoarded the top spots so long, it's very obvious that you believe those Ranks are Yours.

And... if somebody can reach a top spot with an inferior squad and mods... so what? Boo hoo. They got there fairly by playing the game and out-playing better teams, rather than banding with a group of fellow whales to bump all the "randoms" who are trying to climb.

Well the whales are fine to bump any they see fit tbh, that’s the advantage they gain by spending money on the game.
Shard chat or not they would be at the top bumping others regardless.
A lot of people don’t seem to understand this and just blame shard chat collusion for the reason they can’t break into the top/constantly bumped/can’t hold rank/sniped/blocked etc.
Just because you make a high rank doesn’t mean anything if you can’t hold it,
Shard chat or not

I agree, if they can beat the team randomly taking their spot. Problem is there are groups of varying teams protecting each other and their entitlement. Hey, I spent a significant amount of time and money on this game and can't stay in the top 20. When I do break in, it is certain that I will be blasted back to the +50 level in short order. You see, people in my shard not only chat but about 15 of them are in the same guild and they are strategically spread out in said top 50. Excellent example:. I fought my way to #14 this last charge up the ladder. Within an hour I was back down to #57. To make matters.worse, I attempted to get in and battle so I could maintain some sort of ranking but kept getting the "someone is already battling you" message several times during said hour. Not the first time similar has happened when I climbed too high. It is painfully obvious that the top of the shard is locked, primarily by members of one particular guild who are protecting their own interests. IMO, this flys in the face of the spirit of competition because it isn't about your team being better than mine or you're a better player than me. This is all about circling the wagons and teaming up against players who legitimately earned a spot.

"SithTrio_PO;c-1577739" wrote:
top players earned their spots, and if they are over a year or 2 are holding #1 ranks, there's a reason for it, and its not the shard chats. they dont "need" the help, they can do jsut fine without it, but it will cost them bit more crystals - and the others will pay much more crystals.
soo @Graives can we stop with this lie ? you dont even believe yourself. you wanna try snipe them ? good luck. i wouldn't recommend.

Lol. This guy tells me why top players don't even need the help. Then proceeds to tell me why top players DO need the help. Thanks for defeating your own argument.

Either they do, or they don't. If your argument is that they would have to spend more crystals to maintain the top spots... well, hate to tell ya, bud. So would anyone else (not in a shard chat). And if you truly believe the #1 spot of every shard has the best team in the game that cannot be beaten by anyone... I don't know what to tell you. Now maybe they have more $$$ than everyone to burn through crystals and keep #1, but the days of a single defensive team able to beat every other team is gone.

And thanks for wishing me luck if I try to snipe them. Hm, but I wonder why I would need the luck? Could it be because I would be swarmed by a cabal of their buddies and bumped down in the 50s? Seems fair.

"Graives;c-1578809" wrote:

"SithTrio_PO;c-1577739" wrote:
top players earned their spots, and if they are over a year or 2 are holding #1 ranks, there's a reason for it, and its not the shard chats. they dont "need" the help, they can do jsut fine without it, but it will cost them bit more crystals - and the others will pay much more crystals.
soo @Graives can we stop with this lie ? you dont even believe yourself. you wanna try snipe them ? good luck. i wouldn't recommend.

Lol. This guy tells me why top players don't even need the help. Then proceeds to tell me why top players DO need the help. Thanks for defeating your own argument.

Either they do, or they don't. If your argument is that they would have to spend more crystals to maintain the top spots... well, hate to tell ya, bud. So would anyone else (not in a shard chat). And if you truly believe the #1 spot of every shard has the best team in the game that cannot be beaten by anyone... I don't know what to tell you. Now maybe they have more $$$ than everyone to burn through crystals and keep #1, but the days of a single defensive team able to beat every other team is gone.

And thanks for wishing me luck if I try to snipe them. Hm, but I wonder why I would need the luck? Could it be because I would be swarmed by a cabal of their buddies and bumped down in the 50s? Seems fair.

you miss the point completely. what will cost then 50, will cost others 150.
it sounds like you have personal problem with the shard chats since you were left out. but you think that if there's no shard chat, your way to #1 would be easier ? not so sure.probably much harder. without shard chats, there's lot of chaos and people attacking outside their payout times. and if everyone is doing 10 fights instead of 5, trust me, you gonna get hurt from it also. right now, people are attacking when they should do, therefore do minimum fights. more fights to others=more fights to you, if you cant see the logic in that, i understand why you are outside your chat.
Mods are the kings of arena, whales have best mods usually.. so no, they dont need the help. but the shard chat make their way swifter (and for the others).
also, i dont remember any days of single defensive team, and i playing since Nov 15...
imo, its pretty simple - there are competitive players, and less competitive players. and the competitive kind were the top of arena for long time. if you not in the chat, you are probably less competitive that think he deserve a top spot because he found some team capable of doing something. meh. if you were in my shard, i wouldnt invite you... (https://swgoh.gg/u/graives/) you are obviously not the competitive type, and giving you same rewards as people who care a lot about arena and work hard for it, seems unfair. especially not putting you in some kind of rotation. guys like you, its easier to just kick and ignore for the rest of the day. you get top rewards if you deserve it, your swgoh.gg surely prove you dont, and you just want easy crystals without really fighting for it.
thats the harsh truth, accept it or not, your problem. now try to put the personal issues with your shard chat aside in this discussion, thanks.

oh, and about the "single team that cant be beaten by anyone". ofc people can beat, but not all. dont presume to be the one that can do 100% winrate on offense, because im sure you are not. also, meanwhile, i removing mods from my team for 2 weeks in order for others (from the chat) to climb, and i still dont drop outside top20. so dont act like defense dont matter. people can do amazing defense, dont act like you can beat everyone.

"SithTrio_PO;c-1578864" wrote:
and you just want easy crystals without really fighting for it.
thats the harsh truth, accept it or not

"Okay, Dan, you can be #1 at six o'clock. Bob, you can be #1 at seven o'clock. Susy, you're gonna have to sit at #2 because you share the same payout as Bob, and he was here first."

You're right. Those are some really hard crystals. Look at all the competitiveness!

"SithTrio_PO;c-1578864" wrote:
imo, its pretty simple - there are competitive players, and less competitive players.

You're right. But there are also players who feel entitled to max crystal payout everyday and will actively collude with others to exploit the system and avoid true competition.

You can personally attack me and put words in my mouth all you like, but it doesn't alter the reality of what you guys do. It's not competition. It's collusion.

so bitter. and im sure its because you cant conquer the #1 spot.

"BubbaFett;c-1579073" wrote:

"Jedi_of_Oz;c-1578387" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1576453" wrote:

"Jedi_of_Oz;c-1574626" wrote:
Amusing.

Collusion in arenas exist because most players are pragmatic and have determined that it is the best means to co-exist with your otherwise rivals. The fact that payouts occur anytime between 5PM and 7PM for most players is ridiculous and most people have serious commitments during those times.

If not for shard chats, SWGOH life would be a lot more stressful. Imagine worrying about getting sniped while you're participating in work meetings, driving home, playing a game of sport or having dinner with your family.

If you build a strong team, you can achieve a good tank without having to worry...... Just curious, when you are "playing a game of sport", do you or your team take turns with the others so you can arrange the standings and match outcomes?

When I play my sport, I give up 4-5 hours of my Saturday arvo - occasionally on Sundays also - so I play to win given the time investment required. But then again, I play sport at amateur level and I'm not playing for sheep stations.

Professional sport with wagering outcomes is littered with examples of teams that have tanked in order to engineer certain outcomes. The Philadelphia 76'ers is one such example. They played poorly for several consecutive seasons in order to engineer obtaining high draft picks. The strategy executed is now bearing fruit as they have an arsenal of excellent, young talent which is helping them to finally realise success on the court.

Football (soccer) world cups also have had numerous examples where teams sabotage group games so to engineer a more favourable match-up in subsequent knock-out phases. Hypothetically, let's say you've played two group games which has made elimination from the group impossible and advancement to the next phase a certainty. If you win your final game, you'll be paired with Brazil. If you draw or lose, you'll be paired with say... Sweden. Would you play to your best and certainly meet Brazil next; or rest a few of your best players and potentially draw/lose so you could meet Sweden, a lower ranked opponent?

Bringing this back to SWGOH, the time investment required is significant if you want to perform at a strong to elite level. Part of that requires good performance in arenas. If a group of similarly minded, similarly time poor individuals, are able to co-operate together to optimise outcomes and limit the otherwise time investment each person is required to make, what is the harm in that? Do I make myself crystal clear?

Completely different scenarios.....

The 76'rs playiing poorly for years and slowly planning and grinding out a good team is the equivalent of starting this game from scratch and grinding out the tunes needed to get RJT as your first priority.... You will stink for a long time, but when you achieve your goal, you become awesome overnight...... Not cheating at all.....

Your Brazil analogy doesn't work either...... You can bench your best players and lose so you don't draw a strong team for a match, but eventually you will have to face a Brazil if you want to win the cup....

This shard chat business, where people conspire to "take out" anyone who comes close.to the top is more akin to flattening the tires on the other team's bus so they can't make the game and forfeit their match..... It's cheating.....

So if it’s cheating, what ToS are being breached? I want you to be specific here. I want you to go through section 6. Rules of Conduct and identify which rule/s if any are being broken by players engaging in shard chats.