Smuggler’s Run: Han doesn’t shoot first! Say what?!

"Kyno;c-1649648" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1649607" wrote:

"Vampire_X;c-1649525" wrote:
The theorycrafting guild is strong in this thread ;)

But events also do not “have” to follow standard “kit” rules but very noted to the thoughts here

Also big thanks to Kyno as always trying to give community logical background info. Appreciate the respectful disagreements.

If taking a bonus turn means gaining 100% TM (Han's shoot first), then gaining an immediate bonus turn (GMY's Masterstroke) would indicate gaining 100% turn meter immediately. Only it doesn't. According to Kyno, GMY also bypasses all coin flips.

I don't see any logical background (your words) here. Kyno fails to explain the logic behind the wording in the ability descriptions. Maybe you could help him help us all?

Yes, he describes the behaviour of the two abilitirs well. No problem there.

The only instance anyone has shown of GMY not avoiding the coin toss, is in an event. While this is odd, we do know that event kits are modified to make the event different and more difficult.

as you can see in the above post, there is no wording in the description that says he should use his ability before anyone else, or avoid the coin toss in any way. he gets "a bonus turn" at the start of the encounter. saying my argument is flawed and showing it are 2 different things. Why would he avoid normal game mechanics?

Kyno, I never asked, that Han should be guaranteed to act before anybody else. Your comment regarding this is completely irrelevant in a response to me.

Instead, please tell me how taking a turn describes receiving 100% TM in Han's case while it describes not only receiving 100% TM but also bypassing the coin flip as well in GMY's case. Please tell me how that's consistent and unambiguous.

Furthermore, please explain to me how describing a 100% TM gain with words 'gains 100% TM' in some cases (B2, Biggs, JKA etc.) and with the words 'gains a bonus turn' in another case (Han) is consistent and unambiguous?

"Darknesswon;c-1649851" wrote:
I wasnt gonna get back into this argument but ihave to , yall seem to forget thrawn , who like gmy was changed.


Says nothing about immediate or going next , its implied. How is that different than han. Again its not a gamebreaking issue , but it is misleading

Exactly!

(But yes, it was already mentioned a couple of times :—) )

"Pepsiholicman;c-1649686" wrote:
There was something wrong. I understand the turn meter thing but if my 1st turn with Han truly was the bonus turn, why did I have the option to use any of his 3 abilities instead of just the basic and why didn’t it stun if i did use the basic? I know it had to be the “bonus” turn because I could ignore taunt. Something buggy for sure

If you were able to use all abilities in this bonus turn, then yes, there's something wrong.

"ShaggyB;c-1649658" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647628" wrote:

"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1647601" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647578" wrote:
Correct he doesnt shoot first, but he does get his bonus turn, as described by his ability.

The ability name says “Shoots first” and it says “...bonus turn at the start...”. The name and the “at the start” implies he’s first. In this case he doesn’t shoot first nor when he goes is it “at the start”. One can argue against WAI quite easily in this case.

He gets the bonus turn at the beginning of the match. A turn in this game is denoted by 100% TM. The name is a title and not a description of how the ability will work, that's what the description is for.

As always when multiple toons have 100% TM, there is no guarantee who will go first, although I suspect when event toons have this coded they will go before our side, but still in an order determined by RNG.

Thats not what the words mean though and thats what sets my expectation when i invest a zeta. If i have 100 turn meter on an ability titled shoots first... i expect to shoot first. I only expect to be beaten by another han with the same speed as me and the zeta when its a coin toss.

I do not expect to be beaten by random troopers.

It may be a symantics game, but its not whay i would expect when placing raid han in and that makes it look broken

Well, the title of the ability is irrelevant. The description (the body text) is what matters.