Squad Arena isn't fun anymore

If only there was another topic about the boring Revan meta.

"Roopehunter;c-1792970" wrote:
If only there was another topic about the boring Revan meta.

Revan is the meta in arena and also the meta in forum posts for a reason. He's sucking the life out of this game a little bit each day.

I see these complaints, but I can only assume they come from those who are used to dominating in arena using other squads that held the meta, and now they're upset because it's more difficult or "impossible".

Sure, Revan (and zJolee) makes it crazy more difficult to climb that ladder... but given I could rarely break 100 before I got him, and now I'm breaking closer to 50 on the regular, I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one who likes the new mechanics for Jedi in the game. I agree that timing out is a pain in the ass, but there's a guy in my guild who gets #1 in his shard with NS against all of those Revan squads. I still see NS, Traya and CLS squads in my shard's top 100.

Going up against well built STR squads with EP and Thrawn is still a pain in the ass, even with Revan and sometimes I time out against those purely because of Sion. Bitch about zJolee but Nihilus can still annihilate and Traya can isolate and no one comes back from those. How is zJolee as a single toon worse than a zzMT lead? Or add in Daka behind her?

Come on. Get creative. Play if you want to play, don't play if you really think it's no fun. Your strengths won't be at the top of the pile all of the time. Do you think the majority of the player base is in the top 50 of every shard? Or the thousands of ranks that fall below that still using plenty of other teams?

What do I know, though? I'm just some n00b trying to apply rational and reasonable thought to an argument on the internet.

Squad arena has never been fun. It’s just something you have to do for crystals. The outcomes can only be in a limited scope. The recipe to win will always be the same. Get the best team > gold gear >fastest mods possible > success.

It was before revan, it will be after. It’s never going to be able to be that different. Not like grand arena, where there is so many more variables

"obikenobi1;d-197208" wrote:
Squad Arena isn't fun anymore

Was it ever? It's always been the most tedious, stressful part of the game for me.

Tedious because it's been a LONG time since there were more than one or two teams capable of taking top spots, and the introduction of mods made it so that there would always be opponents who were just so stupidly fast that they became nearly impossible to beat unless you were as insanely lucky as they were, in addition to having the current New Hotness geared and zeta'd up.

Stressful because it forces you to monitor your position in the ladder every. single. day. to ensure you're where you want to be when your payout hits. I don't enjoy being forced to constantly jockey for position just to get my pixels. Joining a shard chat helps, but it still eats butthole.

If I didn't have to play it for crystals, and arena coins to convert into credits, I'd drop it like a bad habit before you could say "Utinni."

The more of these threads that are started, the greater the urgency for cg to change something. Keep em coming imo.

I regularly climb to rank 1 with revan, so not saying this out of inability to climb... but would have much preferred to switch to seps if their rework was a bit better. Jedi v jedi every fight ftl.

Some previous posters have said that arena is never fun. To me, it was the most fun part of the game at one point. Every person has a different facet of the game they enjoy more than the other. For me, I hate TW. If the rewards between winning and losing were greater, I might be more inclined to do it. I'm also done with the raids. I got everything (except super uber g12 pieces) I need from the raids, so I rarely bother anymore. Through all of that, for me, I had the arena. Now it is the dullest part of the game.

Arena used to be the place where the best of the best went up against each other with different setups of teams. Until recently, there were always different combinations of teams that would let you win. Then the Traya thing started, and now it's the Revan thing. Even when Traya was the top team, there were at least 3-4 other leads that were viable and even held. My shard has nothing but Revan in the top 100. About the only variant is whether they use Chewie or Ezra in place of one of the other 5. It is an issue, and continues to be one.
Unfortunately, CG will be lazy about things and instead of instituting some much needed balance to the game, they will simply release a new uber toon that destroys Revan teams, and then of course that new team will be untouchable by any other squad, and hence we'll see that team line up 1-100.

@K1r_Kanos Long term players aren't complaining because they're used to dominating, it's a matter of enjoyment. I personally enjoyed the initial CLS meta the most. There were a lot of mirrors, but not the same exact five at all times (Chaze / OB / ATF / Thrawn / GK all made appearaces at a much higher rate than Hoda or Ezra ), matches were fast, and mods mattered. There were also a number of counter teams (Rex / GK - Zarriss).

The Revan meta is undesirable because:

• The team comp is largely uniform
  
• The matches are long and annoying to play
  
• Mods don't matter nearly as much as they have in the past.
  
• Counter teams are targeted and you need to remod to make them effective
  

You might need to just believe me on my on the last point, but I can beat the "fastest" teams on one shard (all with 30 6 dot mods) in 2.5 minutes while timing out to the slowest (with a bunch of green and purples). Revan match mechanics have a lot more to do with turn order and RNG (hello Battle Meditation counter and who gets foresight after GK goes) than pure character speeds and statistics. And I've had a lot of practice (two accounts with Revan, once since the first run).

"Trystan_Spyder;c-1793335" wrote:

"Kalano;c-1793329" wrote:
Why are people complaining about mirror matches? They chose mirror match over using a counter!
Complaining about own choice is strange, isn’t it ?

Because Revan teams hold. Partly because of the strength of the team and partly because it's easy to blend into the terrain.

Sure you can climb with Traya or CLS or NS, but you're gonna stand out like a glow-in-the-dark zeppelin.

Also - the Revan team is pretty user friendly - you already need Bast and Jolee just to get Revan, likely have GK sitting around, and GMY as well.

Traya is a much harder team to acquire. NS are good but apparently highly mod dependent. CLS only works with 3P0, which relied on really well geared Ewoks.

Agreed I get attacked more and more the more Revan teams show up, and it's mostly (I am sure) out of boredom. I use to run top 20 with my NS until I recently stopped having fun in arena, it's the same damn fight every time, and to spend 15-25 minutes of my day doing the same thing it's just tedious. A game shouldn't become tedious because then it has lost all it's value.

"VonZant;c-1793890" wrote:
Just watched a DB official video where he had Plo Koon in place of GK and he removed his speed arrow from Revan for the test and the rest of his team was slower than enemy. Claims he won 20/20 of the fights and it held the same on D. Plo TM special and Dispel on Basic makes the mirror matches easy.

Those defending the current situation in arena or suggesting using different counters are missing the larger point - even if all of that is true, you still have to fight against the same team 5-10+ times a day. every. day.

The lack of diversity in arena is the worst it has ever been in the 3+ years I have played - and it's not close. Yes, there are counters. Yes, they work. Yes, it is still a mind-numbingly boring arena - and has been for quite some time.