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Stenun's avatar
Stenun
7 years ago

Stun is too powerful

Stun is ruining the game for me. I just had an Arena match where I had two actions. Knowing from the start that I was likely to be stunned a lot in this fight, I also counted how many actions my opponent took. I stopped counting at 40.

None of my opponent's characters had Gear 12.
Three of my five characters have Gear 12, the other two have Gear 11. All five of them have 2 Tenacity mods each.
And still Stun just destroys everything to the point where I effectively just watched the AI play Solitaire. Again.

Surely the fact that my opponent needed at least 40 actions to defeat me demonstrates that if it wasn't for Stun, I would have had a very good chance of winning? Everything else being equal, I should have won that match. Possibly quite easily. But Stun is so over powered that it makes everything else utterly irrelevant.

No wonder the game has to give the Raid bosses Stun Immunity. Because if they didn't have it, its sheer power would render all of them completely pointless, too.

Please can something be done about it because at the moment the game is no fun to play any form of PvP.

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  • Stenun's avatar
    Stenun
    7 years ago
    "Darthpedro;c-1495115" wrote:
    This is not a stun problem or a rigged ai problem this is a " I don't wanna switch up my team to counter a mechanic so the mechanic is op" problem


    No.
    Read the thread.

    The problem is the very notion that any mechanic should stop you from playing.

    As I have said before ... Losing is not a problem, losing while not having been allowed to do anything is a problem.
  • lladdir's avatar
    lladdir
    7 years ago
    Got to admit I’m kinda interested in the teams, I mean his team got completely stun locked on offence. Might be a decent tw team if it doesn’t need meta characters
  • FierceRevan's avatar
    FierceRevan
    7 years ago
    What speed mods secondaries are you using?
    What team are you using?
    Speed wins in this game.
  • FierceRevan's avatar
    FierceRevan
    7 years ago
    "lladdir;c-1495122" wrote:
    Got to admit I’m kinda interested in the teams, I mean his team got completely stun locked on offence. Might be a decent tw team if it doesn’t need meta characters


    An enemy R2 and Kenobi can make for a forced stun on offense:

    Kenobi gives retribution
    R2 gives stealth to everyone but him
    R2 stuns on basic

    But I'm guessing OP just has a slow team
  • hendy_2012's avatar
    hendy_2012
    7 years ago
    "Stenun;c-1495121" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495115" wrote:
    This is not a stun problem or a rigged ai problem this is a " I don't wanna switch up my team to counter a mechanic so the mechanic is op" problem


    No.
    Read the thread.

    The problem is the very notion that any mechanic should stop you from playing.

    As I have said before ... Losing is not a problem, losing while not having been allowed to do anything is a problem.


    @Stenun

    If you want anyone to believe that you need to provide more info about your squad, enemy squad, your swgoh.gg account. Stun is not to powerful and it can be worked around and prevented. The only character with an irresistible stun is raid Han on his first shot of the match.
  • Stenun's avatar
    Stenun
    7 years ago
    "Darthpedro;c-1495134" wrote:
    "Stenun;c-1495121" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495115" wrote:
    This is not a stun problem or a rigged ai problem this is a " I don't wanna switch up my team to counter a mechanic so the mechanic is op" problem


    No.
    Read the thread.

    The problem is the very notion that any mechanic should stop you from playing.

    As I have said before ... Losing is not a problem, losing while not having been allowed to do anything is a problem.


    @Stenun

    If you want anyone to believe that you need to provide more info about your squad, enemy squad, your swgoh.gg account. Stun is not to powerful and it can be worked around and prevented. The only character with an irresistible stun is raid Han on his first shot of the match.


    This isn't just about my squad, though.
    This is about the concept that one ability can stop you from playing the game.

    Nobody seems to want to engage with that and instead everyone is just saying I have a bad team selection. And you know what, maybe I do. But then again, maybe I don't. But that's not the point.

    The point is the Stun can stop you from playing.
    Damage Over Time doesn't do that; if I had a game where my characters each ended up with a dozen of those stacked on them then at least I would have been able to still play.
    Armor Down can't stop you from playing. Offence Down doesn't stop you from making an attack. Critical Hit Down doesn't stop you from having a go.

    Stun can stop you from playing completely. That is bad.

    Getting back to the game I outlined, if I had had the same number of turns as my opponent and then lost while covered in debuffs then OK. Bad Tenacity, bad team selection, whatever. But I still would have had a game.
  • scuba75's avatar
    scuba75
    Rising Traveler
    7 years ago
    What is and always has been king in this game:
    1. Speed
    2. Abilities

    Nothing else really matters. If they are fast enough with synergized abilities they can win, especially when that synergy can't be messed up by the AI.

    Why do you think they have prevented the majority of abilities from working in the sith raid? And give the bosses increasing speed gains?
  • hendy_2012's avatar
    hendy_2012
    7 years ago
    "Stenun;c-1495137" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495134" wrote:
    "Stenun;c-1495121" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495115" wrote:
    This is not a stun problem or a rigged ai problem this is a " I don't wanna switch up my team to counter a mechanic so the mechanic is op" problem


    No.
    Read the thread.

    The problem is the very notion that any mechanic should stop you from playing.

    As I have said before ... Losing is not a problem, losing while not having been allowed to do anything is a problem.


    @Stenun

    If you want anyone to believe that you need to provide more info about your squad, enemy squad, your swgoh.gg account. Stun is not to powerful and it can be worked around and prevented. The only character with an irresistible stun is raid Han on his first shot of the match.


    This isn't just about my squad, though.
    This is about the concept that one ability can stop you from playing the game.

    Nobody seems to want to engage with that and instead everyone is just saying I have a bad team selection. And you know what, maybe I do. But then again, maybe I don't. But that's not the point.

    The point is the Stun can stop you from playing.
    Damage Over Time doesn't do that; if I had a game where my characters each ended up with a dozen of those stacked on them then at least I would have been able to still play.
    Armor Down can't stop you from playing. Offence Down doesn't stop you from making an attack. Critical Hit Down doesn't stop you from having a go.

    Stun can stop you from playing completely. That is bad.

    Getting back to the game I outlined, if I had had the same number of turns as my opponent and then lost while covered in debuffs then OK. Bad Tenacity, bad team selection, whatever. But I still would have had a game.


    @Stenun

    I'm sorry but if you are going against a heavy stun oriented team and aren't prepared to deal with stuns then that is a player issue plain and simple. There are counter mechanics built into the game to deal with them.
  • Besai's avatar
    Besai
    7 years ago
    "Stenun;c-1495137" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495134" wrote:
    "Stenun;c-1495121" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495115" wrote:
    This is not a stun problem or a rigged ai problem this is a " I don't wanna switch up my team to counter a mechanic so the mechanic is op" problem


    No.
    Read the thread.

    The problem is the very notion that any mechanic should stop you from playing.

    As I have said before ... Losing is not a problem, losing while not having been allowed to do anything is a problem.


    @Stenun

    If you want anyone to believe that you need to provide more info about your squad, enemy squad, your swgoh.gg account. Stun is not to powerful and it can be worked around and prevented. The only character with an irresistible stun is raid Han on his first shot of the match.


    This isn't just about my squad, though.
    This is about the concept that one ability can stop you from playing the game.

    Nobody seems to want to engage with that and instead everyone is just saying I have a bad team selection. And you know what, maybe I do. But then again, maybe I don't. But that's not the point.

    The point is the Stun can stop you from playing.
    Damage Over Time doesn't do that; if I had a game where my characters each ended up with a dozen of those stacked on them then at least I would have been able to still play.
    Armor Down can't stop you from playing. Offence Down doesn't stop you from making an attack. Critical Hit Down doesn't stop you from having a go.

    Stun can stop you from playing completely. That is bad.

    Getting back to the game I outlined, if I had had the same number of turns as my opponent and then lost while covered in debuffs then OK. Bad Tenacity, bad team selection, whatever. But I still would have had a game.


    If everyone is pointing out that your team and not the mechanic is the problem.......then your team is the problem. I don't have an issue with being stun locked in any portion of the game. I have had teams take 3 turns each toon to my 1, but it always went back to they were wayyyyyyyy faster than my team.

    Without having any info on your team's mods, speed, and make up, the conclusion is that you have a team that is slow and with low tenacity. Keep in mind that there are toons who were designed to control the opponent in different ways (someone made reference to R2). Learn your rock/paper/scissors
  • Stenun's avatar
    Stenun
    7 years ago
    "Darthpedro;c-1495179" wrote:
    "Stenun;c-1495137" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495134" wrote:
    "Stenun;c-1495121" wrote:
    "Darthpedro;c-1495115" wrote:
    This is not a stun problem or a rigged ai problem this is a " I don't wanna switch up my team to counter a mechanic so the mechanic is op" problem


    No.
    Read the thread.

    The problem is the very notion that any mechanic should stop you from playing.

    As I have said before ... Losing is not a problem, losing while not having been allowed to do anything is a problem.


    @Stenun

    If you want anyone to believe that you need to provide more info about your squad, enemy squad, your swgoh.gg account. Stun is not to powerful and it can be worked around and prevented. The only character with an irresistible stun is raid Han on his first shot of the match.


    This isn't just about my squad, though.
    This is about the concept that one ability can stop you from playing the game.

    Nobody seems to want to engage with that and instead everyone is just saying I have a bad team selection. And you know what, maybe I do. But then again, maybe I don't. But that's not the point.

    The point is the Stun can stop you from playing.
    Damage Over Time doesn't do that; if I had a game where my characters each ended up with a dozen of those stacked on them then at least I would have been able to still play.
    Armor Down can't stop you from playing. Offence Down doesn't stop you from making an attack. Critical Hit Down doesn't stop you from having a go.

    Stun can stop you from playing completely. That is bad.

    Getting back to the game I outlined, if I had had the same number of turns as my opponent and then lost while covered in debuffs then OK. Bad Tenacity, bad team selection, whatever. But I still would have had a game.


    @Stenun

    I'm sorry but if you are going against a heavy stun oriented team and aren't prepared to deal with stuns then that is a player issue plain and simple. There are counter mechanics built into the game to deal with them.


    You're still missing the point. And I'm beginning to wonder if you are doing so deliberately now.

    This is not about whether a player is prepared for Stun or not. This isn't about if there are counter mechanics or not.

    This is about the very idea of Stun being able to stop you from playing.

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