With all the hype surrounding the Grand Moff's new abilities, I was curious to test it in Arena (I run an Empire team), but someone beat me to it, so I tried it first in the opposite team.The story goes like this: ... some things happen ... Tarkin fires his mass debuff thing, a blatant success: all my toons are now neutered with offense and crit down. Things look pretty bleak for me right now. Next turn is mine: "The Negotiator" (Kenobi) repaints all that red into green... Now having my whole squad with both offense up and crit chance up, that's a nice treat! After that, it didn't take long for me to wipe out the Grand Moff and his whole crew.So it's perhaps the first time that a toon lands after his perfect counter is already well established? I think the window of opportunity for Tarkin in Arena has ended a few months before it began.I'm sure he can still find a decent supporting role in a Tank P3 squad or something, but I wouldn't bet much on his ambitions to take the center stage, like Anakin or Boba did for a bit after their rework.

Most anything that comes to the game with debuffs has been dead on arrival really since Chaze and GK were able to be put together with Rex. I do use Tarkin now in arena - I think his rework is strong - but your general sentiment about debuffs is correct. The cleanse v debuff situation is seriously out of whack. The unfortunate part is stats for debuff characters continue to be adjusted downward for the supposed ability to use debuffs. Look at Tarkin and EP's total protection + health and speed as well. They have less total health than the new coming ahsoka and also less speed. Same thing if you look at them vs. R2 (and R2 has a lot of debuffs) and same thing if you look at them vs. Chirrut.

The thing is, all abilities come into this game with counters. Ahsoka needs buffs to be effective. B2 is going to wipe those buffs and make everyone buff immune. TFP or Boba is going to ability block your cleanser. If you happen to be running three cleansers with Ahsoka, either your dropped your other attacker (Nihilus) or Baze (Tank). In either event, your team hits like a wet noodle, or you can't keep your two attackers alive.In a five vs five man battle, there will always be holes. Too much "meta" and not enough room on the team. Triple cleanse doesn't have any room to switch up the roster without sacrificing some effectiveness to gain an advantage in any other area. I expect we will see the same old teams even after Ahsokas release, or slightly altered, equally beatable alternatives.

"JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1103165" wrote:Most anything that comes to the game with debuffs has been dead on arrival really since Chaze and GK were able to be put together with Rex. I do use Tarkin now in arena - I think his rework is strong - but your general sentiment about debuffs is correct. The cleanse v debuff situation is seriously out of whack. The unfortunate part is stats for debuff characters continue to be adjusted downward for the supposed ability to use debuffs. Look at Tarkin and EP's total protection + health and speed as well. They have less total health than the new coming ahsoka and also less speed. Same thing if you look at them vs. R2 (and R2 has a lot of debuffs) and same thing if you look at them vs. Chirrut. Let's just be honest darkside has been shafted in general compared to toons with multiple purpose and utility like light side has had and continues to get and become stronger

DS has a multitude of toons to chose from who can stun/abi block kenobi.

"leef;c-1103181" wrote:DS has a multitude of toons to chose from who can stun/abi block kenobi. Well that wasn't a general statement or anything

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JohnnySteelAlph
8 years ago
Most anything that comes to the game with debuffs has been dead on arrival really since Chaze and GK were able to be put together with Rex. I do use Tarkin now in arena - I think his rework is strong - but your general sentiment about debuffs is correct. The cleanse v debuff situation is seriously out of whack.

The unfortunate part is stats for debuff characters continue to be adjusted downward for the supposed ability to use debuffs. Look at Tarkin and EP's total protection + health and speed as well. They have less total health than the new coming ahsoka and also less speed. Same thing if you look at them vs. R2 (and R2 has a lot of debuffs) and same thing if you look at them vs. Chirrut.
ExarTheKun
8 years ago
The thing is, all abilities come into this game with counters. Ahsoka needs buffs to be effective. B2 is going to wipe those buffs and make everyone buff immune. TFP or Boba is going to ability block your cleanser. If you happen to be running three cleansers with Ahsoka, either your dropped your other attacker (Nihilus) or Baze (Tank). In either event, your team hits like a wet noodle, or you can't keep your two attackers alive.

In a five vs five man battle, there will always be holes. Too much "meta" and not enough room on the team. Triple cleanse doesn't have any room to switch up the roster without sacrificing some effectiveness to gain an advantage in any other area. I expect we will see the same old teams even after Ahsokas release, or slightly altered, equally beatable alternatives.
vCx-Redemption
8 years ago
"JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1103165" wrote:
Most anything that comes to the game with debuffs has been dead on arrival really since Chaze and GK were able to be put together with Rex. I do use Tarkin now in arena - I think his rework is strong - but your general sentiment about debuffs is correct. The cleanse v debuff situation is seriously out of whack.

The unfortunate part is stats for debuff characters continue to be adjusted downward for the supposed ability to use debuffs. Look at Tarkin and EP's total protection + health and speed as well. They have less total health than the new coming ahsoka and also less speed. Same thing if you look at them vs. R2 (and R2 has a lot of debuffs) and same thing if you look at them vs. Chirrut.

Let's just be honest darkside has been shafted in general compared to toons with multiple purpose and utility like light side has had and continues to get and become stronger
emvedebe
8 years ago
DS has a multitude of toons to chose from who can stun/abi block kenobi.
vCx-Redemption
8 years ago
"leef;c-1103181" wrote:
DS has a multitude of toons to chose from who can stun/abi block kenobi.

Well that wasn't a general statement or anything
emvedebe
8 years ago
"BradGoodyear;c-1103230" wrote:
"leef;c-1103181" wrote:
DS has a multitude of toons to chose from who can stun/abi block kenobi.

Like? Oh, and let's pretend you know that Chaze, and Rex exist and GK likely has Tenacity up. Meaning nothing is landing.

ow, is that how tenacity up works. who knew.
somuchhubris
8 years ago
"leef;c-1103181" wrote:
DS has a multitude of toons to chose from who can stun/abi block kenobi.

Really though, we'd have to ability block 3 toons and do this each turn, furthermore, ability block is not even the same class as stun. Honestly, arguably the best used stunner in the game is ls And it's a droid. Stun on basic with great speed, amazing team wide uniques and super solid specials. This toon fits in all ls Decks.

Ds has what, ep, rg and daka? Rg can't work now. Daka hasn't been good in a very long time and ep is really good but potentially too squishy. Ep is the best choice for stun. Ability block 2 of 3 and It may as well have been none of the 3. Stun 2 of the 3 and it may as well been none. So no, claiming to AB/stun and it's a win is not realistic.
BrtStlnd
8 years ago
Yeah I mean all you have to do is ability block 3 different characters on every turn while disabling their respective uniques and preventing any of the three from getting a turn or using a special ability the entire match.

Pssh, that's so easy I can do it on my sleep!
Horish
8 years ago
"BrtStlnd;c-1103298" wrote:
Yeah I mean all you have to do is ability block 3 different characters on every turn while disabling their respective uniques and preventing any of the three from getting a turn or using a special ability the entire match.

Pssh, that's so easy I can do it on my sleep!

And the best part is, there's a plethora of toons that can do it! Who would have thought, triple perpetual ability block, so simple it's silly!
emvedebe
8 years ago
darn, i forgot again. I must learn to remember that the tripple cleans team is super OP and unbeatable, especially unbeatable for empire characters!
smh