Tenacity up should mirror Potency up

"UltimateSeaDog;c-1100514" wrote:
-1000000000000

Tenacity Up is the opposite of Tenacity Down which also changes stats by an equal amount.

Also, you are asking to change something existing for a year? Really?

"DeathStarRayGun;c-1100564" wrote:
It's really simple let me break it down for you guys.

Offense up: +50% offense
Offense down: -50% offense

Defense up: +50% defense
Defense down: -50% defense

Critical chance up: +25% critical chance
Critical chance down: -25% critical chance

Tenacity up: +10000000% tenacity (immune)
Tenacity down: -25% tenacity

Totally makes sense u see.

"scuba;c-1100493" wrote:

"REM;c-1100458" wrote:
Yeah, right now Tenacity Up is really debuff immunity.
I hope the devs will eventually consider making it at least possible to get some debuffs in, even if the odds are low.

The game would be a lot better.

Tenacity Down, the real opposite of tenacity up, can be applied thru tenacity down and render it nothing.
Need a character that has AoE tenacity down.

"UltimateSeaDog;c-1100768" wrote:

"tmntguy86;c-1100690" wrote:

"slickdealer;d-113523" wrote:
If you are not aware, these buffs do not match. Potency Up provides a flat 50% potency boost that is additive with your character sheet potency.

Tenacity Up is nearly a million, effectively preventing all debuffs.

Tenacity Up should also be 50%.

-Still an effective buff without directly nerfing any single toon.
-Opens up new teams based on debuffs.
-Would make Tenacity mods worthwhile. Right now there is no need for Tenacity if you have a toon with the buff.


Lots of cool toons have been added with stagger, daze, deathmark, etc. Give us an opportunity to use them!

+1

"NahWillis;c-1100416" wrote:
At the very least, there should still be a 15% chance to apply a debuff even with tenacity up, just as there is a 15% chance to resist even with tenacity down.

+1

"A_Junior91;c-1100438" wrote:
Totally agree, the buff shouldn't provide IMMUNITY to everything, just a greater chance of resist. The game will be much better.

+1

"scuba;c-1100493" wrote:

"REM;c-1100458" wrote:
Yeah, right now Tenacity Up is really debuff immunity.
I hope the devs will eventually consider making it at least possible to get some debuffs in, even if the odds are low.

The game would be a lot better.

Need a character that has AoE tenacity down.

An AOE tenacity down ability is a very interesting idea.

"UltimateSeaDog;c-1100514" wrote:
-1000000000000

Tenacity Up is the opposite of Tenacity Down which also changes stats by an equal amount.

Also, you are asking to change something existing for a year? Really?

Tenacity down is not a true opposite of tenacity up as shown below. Read my following comments below for my thoughts on the state of this.

"scuba;c-1100579" wrote:

"DeathStarRayGun;c-1100564" wrote:
It's really simple let me break it down for you guys.

Offense up: +50% offense
Offense down: -50% offense

Defense up: +50% defense
Defense down: -50% defense

Critical chance up: +25% critical chance
Critical chance down: -25% critical chance

Tenacity up: +10000000% tenacity (immune)
Tenacity down: -25% tenacity

Totally makes sense u see.

In correct you are

Let me Correctly break it down for you.
Tenacity up +999900% tenacity


Tenacity Down - 999900% tenacity

Let me also correct that for you scuba... from the battle I just did...

https://imgur.com/a/e2v1i

It only "minimizes" the chance of a resisting a debuff. Therefore, this is not the true opposite of tenacity up where it gives 100% chance to resist debuffs.

If tenacity up is guaranteed to prevent all debuffs (minus the few in the game that cannot be resisted) then tenacity down should guarantee all debuffs will land (except for those that are immune such as Jyn immune to stuns).

And for folks complaining about Nihilus force drain working through tenacity up...

https://imgur.com/a/THUla

Kozispoon said this IS WAI. The way it is currently set up seems like it should also have the frazing that this is not able to be to resisted. Much like other abilities are in the game. As it is, there's a 50% chance to increase / not increase ability cooldowns when no debuffs are present. Against a Rex, Chirrut, Yoda types set of teams, Nihilus would become useless if he still didn't have a 50% chance to increase. It's next to impossible to keep debuffs on the board against cleansing teams. Teams that seem to cleanse every other turn.

However, if for some reason they decide to change this which I would not agree with, then perhaps toons that cleanse such as Rex, Chirrut, GK should also have to go through a potency check to cleanse everything. If there needs to be a potency AND tenacity check to land a debuff, why not at least a potency check to clear the debuff?

So you are asking to nerf EVERY meta cleanser in this game? Rex, Chirrut and GK all nerfed?

Please no.

So you're in favor of nerfing one of the only viable DS toons to counter the tenacity/cleanse meta by you're not in favor of equalizing the tenacity/cleanse meta down to the DS nerfing. I wonder what setup you run...

What I'm saying is if debuffs have to go through a potency and tenacity check which everyone is crying for, then there should be the same balance to cleansing while tenacity up and tenacity down should be true mirrors of each other. Bc right now they aren't.

And I run both sets of squads. So I'm not biased bc I use one or the other. I have multiple accounts I play. And I play both sides. The way it's currently setup is not balanced imo