Territory War Feedback

"newbornFL;c-1469253" wrote:
So like having imperial probe droid,wampa , 7 stars Nightsisters (that currently are pay 2 win) , Hermit Yoda(extremely hard to farm,its either him or g12 characters) is having better priorities now?
I'm not talking only about the GP advantage here,as some people might think,but about the actual toons we have vs what they have.

Having fewer really good toons being better than having more mediocre toons could be called "having better priorities". Unfortunately rewards are based on active GP, so it also pays off to have alot of GP.
I honestly don't know what's better currently. Swgoh pre-TB and TW was so much easier.

"swgohfan29;c-1469263" wrote:

"newbornFL;c-1469257" wrote:
Duh...give the matchmaker rules,trying to put teams with similarly teams.
what is the point in matchmaking a guild that (example) has no zetas no gold and no gear 12?

and matching it with an similarly GP guild that has zetas gold and gear 12?

The point is, for some reason you guys have. similar GP despitr your guild being apparently useless, which already makes me think you re lying.

Pay to win wina against Free to playm Thats the whole purpose of paying. TO WIN.

Also i could probably rekted 15 phoniex teams on my own too, so thats not a argument

Pay-To-Win is an inherently flawed and negative system because it creates an incentive for people who want to be competitive to perpetually spend money on the game. It means that your enjoyment of your leisure time can be based on how much you can pay, and even then it might not be enough if someone else spends more.

This is why all the games that last the longest and are played the most aren't Pay-To-Win. Eventually only the richest people can have fun and everyone else leaves because they don't have that much money to waste.

"newbornFL;c-1469253" wrote:
So like having imperial probe droid,wampa , 7 stars Nightsisters (that currently are pay 2 win) , Hermit Yoda(extremely hard to farm,its either him or g12 characters) is having better priorities now?

You do realise you're confirming that pay 2 win > free 2 play?
Bad PR there sir moderator.

I'm not talking only about the GP advantage here,as some people might think,but about the actual toons we have vs what they have.

IPD, Wampa and HYoda are F2P toons, no way to pay to have them earlier (and in fact, many of the early HYoda or Wampa were F2P). Nightsisters are only a problem for people who did not farm AoE toons (hmmm, Lando, Wedge ? F2P) or Imperial Troopers, and so they’re easily beaten in TW (Arena is another matter, as you have that whole cooldown where you’re vulnerable to other meta before you’re able to attack again to switch your team). IF those are the toons you deem too difficult to beat, yes, it’s a problem of farming priorities.

Besides, like @swgohfan29 says, the point of P2W is to win in PvP. It’s WAI (and to be clear, SWGOH is even much more F2P-friendly than most of the freemium games, for it takes a lot to get a strong advantage). You can’t expect to play for free AND rival players who pay. You can’t eat your cake and have it.

"Kyno;c-1469205" wrote:
1) when multiple toons have 100% TM, RNG decides who shoots first. Did he get stunned by the oither Raid Han?

2)Taunt overrides stealth, so he could have been both and when taunt ended or was removed stealth takes over.

1) no! In that case I'd not find it strange.
2) R2 get the stealth on all except Baze, who had foresight. First shot removed foresight, second shot triggered stealth and suddenly CLS came out of stealth to do nothing! It wasn't his turn. He simply became the available target instead of Baze......

"SpadeFreeman;c-1469276" wrote:

"swgohfan29;c-1469263" wrote:

"newbornFL;c-1469257" wrote:
Duh...give the matchmaker rules,trying to put teams with similarly teams.
what is the point in matchmaking a guild that (example) has no zetas no gold and no gear 12?

and matching it with an similarly GP guild that has zetas gold and gear 12?

The point is, for some reason you guys have. similar GP despitr your guild being apparently useless, which already makes me think you re lying.

Pay to win wina against Free to playm Thats the whole purpose of paying. TO WIN.

Also i could probably rekted 15 phoniex teams on my own too, so thats not a argument

Pay-To-Win is an inherently flawed and negative system because it creates an incentive for people who want to be competitive to perpetually spend money on the game. It means that your enjoyment of your leisure time can be based on how much you can pay, and even then it might not be enough if someone else spends more.

This is why all the games that last the longest and are played the most aren't Pay-To-Win. Eventually only the richest people can have fun and everyone else leaves because they don't have that much money to waste.

Really? Because EA knows this. Whatever faults EA/CG has, they are not inconpetent. They do their best to maximise profits, yes, but that doesnt mean they dont care about F2P players. P2W players need F2P players to push around a little to have that twinge of slightly sadistic pleasure. They know this, so they want to keep F2P players around as well.

And as a f2p player, go ahead. You can bear the costs of the updates, etc etc. I dont need to beat you to enjoy this game. Never paid a cent, and SWGOH is still fun for me.

Hi there,

I would like to say first that Territory Wars is a funny game mode where I can use almost every toon I have (even Eeth Koth!).

I have joined every TW since the beginning of this mode and my guild never have faced an opponent guild with less GP and just twice the GP was similar, even sometimes the difference was more than 10M GP. I know that the matchmaking depends on the amount of GP of the players who are joining the TW, but I think this system has a big issue.

For example, is not the same 10 players of 2M GP each one than 20 players of 1M each one. Probably 1 team of the strong players could beat on defense 3 or 4 teams of the weak players. Even worse, eventually that team wouldn't be never defeated depending on the situation.
This situation comes sometimes when strong guilds rotate players to use less GP in TW and have normally advantage against weak guilds which all the players join the TW. I thought the idea of TW is that as much players in the guild join it, better to get better rewards. But it looks like the game doesn't encourage players to join TW.

I have an idea to try to solve this problem. The matchmaking could work in this way:
. First, check the total GP (all members) of each guild and group them in similar ranges.
. Second, inside each range match guilds with similar amount of players joining TW.

I think this will push players to join TW and avoid their guild to face guilds with less but stronger players. So if some players aren't joining the TW is an issue for the officers, because they wouldn't get advantage of it. It looks fairer than the current matchmaking system.

I know that maybe is difficult to match all the guilds, but definetely there would be a solution. And I know too that probably I'm missing something but there is where you can help with your ideas. What do you think?

I hope my first post is useful :)

"SpadeFreeman;c-1469276" wrote:

"swgohfan29;c-1469263" wrote:

"newbornFL;c-1469257" wrote:
Duh...give the matchmaker rules,trying to put teams with similarly teams.
what is the point in matchmaking a guild that (example) has no zetas no gold and no gear 12?

and matching it with an similarly GP guild that has zetas gold and gear 12?

The point is, for some reason you guys have. similar GP despitr your guild being apparently useless, which already makes me think you re lying.

Pay to win wina against Free to playm Thats the whole purpose of paying. TO WIN.

Also i could probably rekted 15 phoniex teams on my own too, so thats not a argument

Pay-To-Win is an inherently flawed and negative system because it creates an incentive for people who want to be competitive to perpetually spend money on the game. It means that your enjoyment of your leisure time can be based on how much you can pay, and even then it might not be enough if someone else spends more.

This is why all the games that last the longest and are played the most aren't Pay-To-Win. Eventually only the richest people can have fun and everyone else leaves because they don't have that much money to waste.

There fixed it for you.
I'll just point out the adaptive guide to crush the idea that this game is "P2W" oriented. Too many people think that the devs get out of their straw-filled beds, eat rocks for breakfast, and go work 40-50 hours a week so you can have your 10 minutes of fun. The game industry evolved into a profit-oriented industry. People made DLC's and season passes because they know they can sell them. By the people, for the people, isn't that the American way? And that is where most of the internet industry is. The devs need whales to pay, we need whales to pay, everyone needs the whales, and let me tell you, if I can enjoy 100% of this game content for free just because some guy paid for all of it to trash me around a bit in TW, by all means go ahead my friend (and even the 2nd place rewards are incredible, only slightly lower than #1)
Swgoh has one of the least restrictive paying systems. To top it off, a lot of endgame content cannot be bought and has to be earned trough playing (IPB, GK, Stompa, ROLO etc.) so not only is everything obtainable, there is a wall that even the credit card cannot go over.
The only reason the games get abandoned is because everyone gets bored. So you need new content > you need to fund that new content. Please stop thinking that the world is fueled by thoughts and prayers.

"LaksonVell;c-1469406" wrote:

"SpadeFreeman;c-1469276" wrote:

"swgohfan29;c-1469263" wrote:

"newbornFL;c-1469257" wrote:
Duh...give the matchmaker rules,trying to put teams with similarly teams.
what is the point in matchmaking a guild that (example) has no zetas no gold and no gear 12?

and matching it with an similarly GP guild that has zetas gold and gear 12?

The point is, for some reason you guys have. similar GP despitr your guild being apparently useless, which already makes me think you re lying.

Pay to win wina against Free to playm Thats the whole purpose of paying. TO WIN.

Also i could probably rekted 15 phoniex teams on my own too, so thats not a argument

Pay-To-Win is an inherently flawed and negative system because it creates an incentive for people who want to be competitive to perpetually spend money on the game. It means that your enjoyment of your leisure time can be based on how much you can pay, and even then it might not be enough if someone else spends more.

This is why all the games that last the longest and are played the most aren't Pay-To-Win. Eventually only the richest people can have fun and everyone else leaves because they don't have that much money to waste.

There fixed it for you.
I'll just point out the adaptive guide to crush the idea that this game is "P2W" oriented. Too many people think that the devs get out of their straw-filled beds, eat rocks for breakfast, and go work 40-50 hours a week so you can have your 10 minutes of fun. The game industry evolved into a profit-oriented industry. People made DLC's and season passes because they know they can sell them. By the people, for the people, isn't that the American way? And that is where most of the internet industry is. The devs need whales to pay, we need whales to pay, everyone needs the whales, and let me tell you, if I can enjoy 100% of this game content for free just because some guy paid for all of it to trash me around a bit in TW, by all means go ahead my friend (and even the 2nd place rewards are incredible, only slightly lower than #1)
Swgoh has one of the least restrictive paying systems. To top it off, a lot of endgame content cannot be bought and has to be earned trough playing (IPB, GK, Stompa, ROLO etc.) so not only is everything obtainable, there is a wall that even the credit card cannot go over.
The only reason the games get abandoned is because everyone gets bored. So you need new content > you need to fund that new content. Please stop thinking that the world is fueled by thoughts and prayers.

I didn't say that SW:GOH is P2W. It's not far off and a few wrong moves from the devs could definitely make it P2W, but right now it's just Pay-To-Make-It-Easier.

Also, free games don't need to be P2W to keep going. An incredible number of free games pay the bills by selling things that, here's the secret, don't affect gameplay. You would not believe that sheer amount of people who will spend money just to look cool. I've done it quite a bit.

This is the beauty of games like LoL and Warframe. Everything that actually has an affect on gameplay is entirely available by just playing it. But the stuff that makes you look cool, or sound cool, you can buy. Those are two of the biggest games in the world right now, so don't tell me it's not viable.

Hell, it's even okay to have the ability to sell things that do affect gameplay, as long as they are reasonably attainable in-game. If I wanted a specific character in Warframe it might take me a couple weeks to make it, or I could just buy it. Simple as.

"SpadeFreeman;c-1469433" wrote:

"LaksonVell;c-1469406" wrote:

"SpadeFreeman;c-1469276" wrote:

"swgohfan29;c-1469263" wrote:

"newbornFL;c-1469257" wrote:
Duh...give the matchmaker rules,trying to put teams with similarly teams.
what is the point in matchmaking a guild that (example) has no zetas no gold and no gear 12?

and matching it with an similarly GP guild that has zetas gold and gear 12?

The point is, for some reason you guys have. similar GP despitr your guild being apparently useless, which already makes me think you re lying.

Pay to win wina against Free to playm Thats the whole purpose of paying. TO WIN.

Also i could probably rekted 15 phoniex teams on my own too, so thats not a argument

Pay-To-Win is an inherently flawed and negative system because it creates an incentive for people who want to be competitive to perpetually spend money on the game. It means that your enjoyment of your leisure time can be based on how much you can pay, and even then it might not be enough if someone else spends more.

This is why all the games that last the longest and are played the most aren't Pay-To-Win. Eventually only the richest people can have fun and everyone else leaves because they don't have that much money to waste.

There fixed it for you.
I'll just point out the adaptive guide to crush the idea that this game is "P2W" oriented. Too many people think that the devs get out of their straw-filled beds, eat rocks for breakfast, and go work 40-50 hours a week so you can have your 10 minutes of fun. The game industry evolved into a profit-oriented industry. People made DLC's and season passes because they know they can sell them. By the people, for the people, isn't that the American way? And that is where most of the internet industry is. The devs need whales to pay, we need whales to pay, everyone needs the whales, and let me tell you, if I can enjoy 100% of this game content for free just because some guy paid for all of it to trash me around a bit in TW, by all means go ahead my friend (and even the 2nd place rewards are incredible, only slightly lower than #1)
Swgoh has one of the least restrictive paying systems. To top it off, a lot of endgame content cannot be bought and has to be earned trough playing (IPB, GK, Stompa, ROLO etc.) so not only is everything obtainable, there is a wall that even the credit card cannot go over.
The only reason the games get abandoned is because everyone gets bored. So you need new content > you need to fund that new content. Please stop thinking that the world is fueled by thoughts and prayers.

I didn't say that SW:GOH is P2W. It's not far off and a few wrong moves from the devs could definitely make it P2W, but right now it's just Pay-To-Make-It-Easier.

Also, free games don't need to be P2W to keep going. An incredible number of free games pay the bills by selling things that, here's the secret, don't affect gameplay. You would not believe that sheer amount of people who will spend money just to look cool. I've done it quite a bit.

This is the beauty of games like LoL and Warframe. Everything that actually has an affect on gameplay is entirely available by just playing it. But the stuff that makes you look cool, or sound cool, you can buy. Those are two of the biggest games in the world right now, so don't tell me it's not viable.

Hell, it's even okay to have the ability to sell things that do affect gameplay, as long as they are reasonably attainable in-game. If I wanted a specific character in Warframe it might take me a couple weeks to make it, or I could just buy it. Simple as.

Haha I agree on the looking cool part, I've done it myself.
There is a little more to it than that. If you remember the Battlefront II issue not too long ago, any kind of boost that is not obtainable by means other than $$ and sold in packs is considered gambling and unless your game is strictly 18+ you are facing heavy fines and censure. How is Warframe as a game? I Considered starting a new MMO and right now ToR, Destiny and EOS are on my mind but I crossed warframe a few times.

"LaksonVell;c-1469547" wrote:

"SpadeFreeman;c-1469433" wrote:

"LaksonVell;c-1469406" wrote:

"SpadeFreeman;c-1469276" wrote:

"swgohfan29;c-1469263" wrote:

"newbornFL;c-1469257" wrote:
Duh...give the matchmaker rules,trying to put teams with similarly teams.
what is the point in matchmaking a guild that (example) has no zetas no gold and no gear 12?

and matching it with an similarly GP guild that has zetas gold and gear 12?

The point is, for some reason you guys have. similar GP despitr your guild being apparently useless, which already makes me think you re lying.

Pay to win wina against Free to playm Thats the whole purpose of paying. TO WIN.

Also i could probably rekted 15 phoniex teams on my own too, so thats not a argument

Pay-To-Win is an inherently flawed and negative system because it creates an incentive for people who want to be competitive to perpetually spend money on the game. It means that your enjoyment of your leisure time can be based on how much you can pay, and even then it might not be enough if someone else spends more.

This is why all the games that last the longest and are played the most aren't Pay-To-Win. Eventually only the richest people can have fun and everyone else leaves because they don't have that much money to waste.

There fixed it for you.
I'll just point out the adaptive guide to crush the idea that this game is "P2W" oriented. Too many people think that the devs get out of their straw-filled beds, eat rocks for breakfast, and go work 40-50 hours a week so you can have your 10 minutes of fun. The game industry evolved into a profit-oriented industry. People made DLC's and season passes because they know they can sell them. By the people, for the people, isn't that the American way? And that is where most of the internet industry is. The devs need whales to pay, we need whales to pay, everyone needs the whales, and let me tell you, if I can enjoy 100% of this game content for free just because some guy paid for all of it to trash me around a bit in TW, by all means go ahead my friend (and even the 2nd place rewards are incredible, only slightly lower than #1)
Swgoh has one of the least restrictive paying systems. To top it off, a lot of endgame content cannot be bought and has to be earned trough playing (IPB, GK, Stompa, ROLO etc.) so not only is everything obtainable, there is a wall that even the credit card cannot go over.
The only reason the games get abandoned is because everyone gets bored. So you need new content > you need to fund that new content. Please stop thinking that the world is fueled by thoughts and prayers.

I didn't say that SW:GOH is P2W. It's not far off and a few wrong moves from the devs could definitely make it P2W, but right now it's just Pay-To-Make-It-Easier.

Also, free games don't need to be P2W to keep going. An incredible number of free games pay the bills by selling things that, here's the secret, don't affect gameplay. You would not believe that sheer amount of people who will spend money just to look cool. I've done it quite a bit.

This is the beauty of games like LoL and Warframe. Everything that actually has an affect on gameplay is entirely available by just playing it. But the stuff that makes you look cool, or sound cool, you can buy. Those are two of the biggest games in the world right now, so don't tell me it's not viable.

Hell, it's even okay to have the ability to sell things that do affect gameplay, as long as they are reasonably attainable in-game. If I wanted a specific character in Warframe it might take me a couple weeks to make it, or I could just buy it. Simple as.

Haha I agree on the looking cool part, I've done it myself.
There is a little more to it than that. If you remember the Battlefront II issue not too long ago, any kind of boost that is not obtainable by means other than $$ and sold in packs is considered gambling and unless your game is strictly 18+ you are facing heavy fines and censure. How is Warframe as a game? I Considered starting a new MMO and right now ToR, Destiny and EOS are on my mind but I crossed warframe a few times.

I'll try to not go on too much since this is the SW:GOH forums after all, but Warframe is an incredibly confusing game that somehow manages to be so fun that you end up just pushing through it. And once it starts to make sense it just gets better.

As someone who played ToR for about 3 years, I struggle to suggest it. Fine if you just want to play through the story, but MMO things like dungeons and raids are extremely lacking.

Haven't played Destiny 2 but I've heard overwhelmingly negative things. Haven't played ESO (I assume you meant Elder Scrolls Online), but I've heard a lot about how it's improved recently.