The Biggs/Wedge combo is reducing variety in the game

"AlexB;826970" wrote:

But I agree that the game is not balanced, many toons are useless. I'm more concerned about the rogue one toons, way more OP than Wiggs.

Ran into an all Rogue One team tonight. It consisted of Jyn, Cassian, Chaze, and K2, all 7*, all level 70-something. I didn't look at the gear level or mods, but I'm willing to guess those were pretty high as well. My team consisted of:

EP (73, 5*, glvl 8)
Fett (73, 6*, glvl 8)
Vader (73, 5*, glvl 8)
TFP (67, 6*, glvl 7)
Sidious (60, 4*, glvl 7)

The fight basically went like this:

- Fight starts, Rogue One team attacks two times before I can attack back. Both attacks see my team getting hit by three toons each time,for a total of 6 attacks. First three were Jyn, Chirrut, and K2. Second three were Jyn, Cassian and K2.
- my turn, and all five of my guys are nearly dead, so in a desperate bid to try and get back, I use Palpatine to do his heal. This is the ONLY move I get. Next attack is Baze, who proceeds to individually shoot and kill my entire team.

Put aside the fact that with my team I was going to lose anyway, it didn't bother me that I lost. It's just the fact that that team clearly has so many abilities and synergies that equal two or three teams worth. That's a team that will pretty much crush every team it goes against. That's the team you want to put together if you want to steamroll this game. This is a team that will make Wiggs pee their pants and cry in the fetal position.

"CatoNines;826965" wrote:
Same lame, tired "argument" that's been made a thousand time before.
You, sir, have officially become a bore.

I'm so grateful that you had the time to add your trollful comments to the thread. Thank you.

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So Wiggs is dead hrmmmm? Explain how I open arena, see three Wiggs combo, refresh, to again see three Wiggs combo's. Or, how I open the current tournament to see, wait for it, three Wiggs combos.....rinse and repeat (and as I said earlier, the domination of this combo in the top tiers on my shard). Unless I use my own Wiggs team, my higher value clone team is down one or two before I even return fire.

To those who say fight fire with fire, thanks for enforcing my argument ie., a lack of variety ruins games.

I'm looking for a game with variety, hence why I stopped levelling the Wedge/Biggs team and started on a full clone team. I note that building teams is a slow process.

As a three month old player on IOS, I was using Ackbar, RG, Lea, Biggs and Talia, achieving modest results. Then, Wedge was handed to us on a golden plate with the ships update....and easily farmable. We all individually went wow, he will take us places and here we are ie., we all saw how powerful the combo is.

It's not the fault of competitive players to naturally look for OP squads, which edges out rivals, it's in our DNA. It is the fault of developers who release OP toons, which lead to the creation of lack of variety and competition within games. We see in real life, how sporting organisations are always looking at balance, they know, that for their sport to be competitive and viable, it needs to be balanced ie, salary caps.


Anyway, said my piece, devs will notice and either take action or not take action.

"Younger shards like yours tend to run on easily farmed combos initially, i.e. wiggs/Lando, droids, easy farm jedi"

That's the thing, this is not the case at lower levels anymore. In almost 200 arena fight i didn't fought even once with a droid, jedi, clone team. I would to talk about anything else than Wedge but i can't because this is what most of the new players basically know. Wiggs being so Op especially for new players made sure of that.
Probably me being close to the top of the chart has something to do with that because in my shard are only 3 type of teams :Rebels with Wedge that are all on top, and rebels who didn't get him yet or a few mostly empire dark teams on whom I prey to stay close to top 50(and sometimes inside it)

Honestly Mithrawnuodo (and all others who said to just wait) in your first months playing the game did you had to deal with this, 90% of your teams all having the same (OP) team? And if you didn't why do you expect new players to just accept this situation and wait it out. It's easy to be all zen after a long play with DIFFERENT meta teams, but to the new players THIS is all we know.

I don't care if it is nerfing, making counters accessible, unlocking some abilities only after players reach a certain level, something must be done to ensure that the new players get to enjoy the game like the old ones. The game is broken right now and waiting it out is not a solution. But I guess new players not enjoying the game doesn't matter.

Now that I get that out of my chest you are free to the same old replies : Wiggs is dead even if there are shards with 90% of the top Wiggs, Wiggs is not OP because there are P2W counters or Wiggs is not OP because Baze Chirruit are even more OP.

Just keep things on topic and not too personal please :)

"Wat;828102" wrote:
Rey is OP!

Did I do it right?

"Wat;828102" wrote:
Rey is OP!

Did I do it right?

Hahaha nice. To anyone who has played this game less than a year know that different teams go in and out of favor. Don't like the meta? Just wait a few weeks and it will change.

"Cardiff0;826986" wrote:

"AlexB;826970" wrote:

"Cardiff0;826962" wrote:
Read my previous comments

Wiggs is not a team, neither is Rex+sun fac or chirrut+baze. Any team can be dominated if you're talking 2v5.

Just because your wiggs team sucks (no offence) doesn't mean there aren't better comps for them. Put them together with chirrut and baze and I guarantee you will take top spot when you see fit. Alternatively I'm guessing you could probly look at the top of your shard. Wiggs are just OP damage

There is one Wiggs only in my server top 10. Wiggs was OP for a while, now there are other toons and comps more OP than Wiggs.
And my Wiggs team was awesome, ranked 1 everyday. Then it wasn't anymore.
But I agree that the game is not balanced, many toons are useless. I'm more concerned about the rogue one toons, way more OP than Wiggs.

Honestly, I find that hard to believe if your shard is using chirrut and baze.

Wiggs isn't a comp or a team, they're just two OP guys you can put in with other OP guys, optimally chaze+1 right now, to make super OP teams. That's why your wiggs team isn't very good any more, you don't have a good enough setup to combat the stuff that has come out. If you did, you could continue abusing the most OP attack swgoh has.

And at that, they are OP guys who are nobodies, who should be pilots, who have been far too prevalent (not to mention initially game breaking) for far too long.

They are not OP, they were OP months ago, now we have chaze, zeta vader, zeta bariss...

"NicolasRage;826967" wrote:
Wiggs is not what's OP, it's Chaze. Wiggs teams get destroyed by Empire, Rex, and sometimes Droids. However, you can run a team that consists only of Chirrut and Baze and get 1st in arena lol.

That

Wedge and Biggs are high damage attackers, their meta focused on speed and crit chance and damage. These empire teams do a great job at stopping this by stuns and stopping bonus turn meter. If you dispell Stormtrooper Han and stun Wedge or Biggs they are an easy combo to defeat.

"MasterMasterTimelord;828497" wrote:

They are not OP, they were OP months ago, now we have chaze, zeta vader, zeta bariss...

+1 This thread is a month to late.

The wiggs combo was OP, they were used by a huge % of top teams... SWOGH as of today has them in 31% of squads.

I would also agree they limited variety not only because they were effective but also a package deal which just by statistics would limit variety.

Though as people have said the meta is changing and being changed by even more powerful characters.

Empire is not meta yet- not until Shoretrooper becomes farmable. I have all 7* gear 10, Palp lead, Vader, RG, TFP, and Ayala until my Sun Fac is gear 10 or I get Shoretrooper..... I will never crack top 20 without Shoretrooper..... certain Wiggs teams can still pick me off if my TFP doesn't stick buff immunity on STH AND RG (because I ability block Biggs to get past that initial onslaught)-- but if the other team has Baze- yikes forget it!

Nope Empire is still definitely not Meta.