The Stand Your Ground Update [MEGA]

So since the kam shard mission is going to be broken again for the upcoming TB, as it was the last time, it is going to be more difficult again. Because of the increased difficulty of the most difficult event in the game, it will make it much more difficult for guilds to get shards. The increase in difficulty delayed progress last TB and will further delay progress this time around.

I appreciate the shuffle in August, but the one coming up is left un-fixed. I strongly believe there should be some kam shard comp for the last 2 TB. This progress has either delayed someone unlocking or 7* kam.

1. According to CG, it’s not a bug, it's a change that they have decided to revert
2. They don't care that our KAM runs are impacted
3. We have no way of knowing if KAM will be required for the next GL or not

They should give some compensation, but they won't. Just a sorry, we knew about this for a month, but did not fix it. I promise you if this bug made the mission an auto win, there would be an emergency patch, but since it doesn't benefit the players, it's not a priority.

"SemiGod;c-2275787" wrote:
On the bright side, the odds of KAM being required for Lord Vader are much lower considering the Mission is bugged ;)

Don't think KAM will be required for anything anytime soon

The idea of KAM being required for anything isn't going to cross my mind until there are about 10k players with 7* KAM in the game (currently its 3.5k)

August is back!

Not gonna lie @CG_Doja_Fett_MINI this issue is a bit bigger than a "whoops sorry.". How did a change that big even make it through QA without someone asking "didn't this work differently when we tuned the KAM mission".

Seriously. Is there no source control? Just revert the specific change that caused this.

"TheJEFFtm;c-2275807" wrote:
Yeah, I really gotta agree that a make good of some kind is probably going to be in order here… and as mentioned above, the last one broke between phases, so guild that ran the KAM mission in phase 3 were not nearly as affected as those who run it in 3 and 4, or 4 exclusively.

My recommendation would be, (at a minimum,) compare KAM shards awarded to the guild in both May and June, and use the higher of those two numbers as the base for the make good.

Just as an example, my guild all ran fairly early in p3 last TB (so none of us were affected by the bug) and hit 41 KAM shards, in May we hit 38 shards - so if we only win 25 missions this time, our make good after TB would be an additional 16 shards.

If we hit 41 or above successes, no make good would be awarded (I mean, I think we should get something more anyways… but, whatever…)

As another example, my friend’s guild runs the KAM mission Territory in both p3 and p4 (by not achieving a star there in p3), and they got 19 shards in May and 16 shards in June, so if they only pass 13 missions this go around, their make good should be another 6 shards at the end of TB (for a total of 19) to at least bring them up to their ‘unbugged’ performance level.

--- But this part: "My recommendation would be, (at a minimum,) compare KAM shards awarded to the guild in both May and June, and use the higher of those two numbers as the base for the make good." fails to consider Guild Growth and improvement. If you are recently prioritizing KAM shards, this wouldn't factor that in.

It would be bold regardless of the bug.

Somewhere around 60,000-80,000 people had 7* Wat before he was made a GL req.

Only 3587 people have a 7* KAM

As a make good wouldn’t it be possible to just double the KAM rewards until it is fixed. Considering the top guilds had multiple months of double rewards this is totally fair.

there was no change in the win rate last round.

While that's good to know, without knowing how many people completed the mission before downloading the change we can't be sure how good that data is.

They will monitor the data this go also.

Good. I don't know how many people might fail b/c of the bug, and maybe the number will be very small, but I'm glad they're going to be paying attention.

Surprisingly our guild actually increased our win count last round.

Not that surprising. Except at the very top end guilds should be getting better prepared on average each month. Some won't, and even when you're better prepared RNG can hand you a bad run, but better toons is a positive, the change to SYG was a negative, and RNG over a small sample size (35 to 50 attempts) can easily be larger than the net effect of improved toons minus new SYG mechanic.

I'd be interested in comparing the rate of increase in wins over the months before to end of last month + this month. If it's not increasing at the same rate, then that could easily be the effect of the SYG change even if successes don't actually go down.

Note that I'm not complaining, I'm just noting that a single guild getting a few more shards last month isn't high quality evidence for the lack of an effect (or for quantifying the specific effect size).