The state of Territory Battles

"DarjeloSalas;c-1625652" wrote:
Kyno

We’re at an empass with the 3&4 thing. You want me to provide something that we both know doesn’t exist, I’ve asked anyone to provide something to disprove my claim, and I’m certain that it doesn’t exist either. I will happily trumpet from the rooftops that I was wrong if and when such proof is provided. Until then I’m not bothered about what the devs have and haven’t said. I can only go on what I and many many others have seen time and again. That’s the scientist in me, I guess.

And for what it’s worth, I don’t really have a problem with the way platoons have been unfolding. Sure, I find it annoying that our guild (150M GP) actually finished further away from additional stars in the last LSTB than we did previously (we got 42, like before, but were 10M away from either an extra star in phase 5 or 6, compared with <3M the previous TB) but I understand why the devs do it, and I’m not complaining about it and I don’t think it’s unfair (other than the heavy empire requirement in DS TB phase 6).

"DarjeloSalas;c-1625904" wrote:
Accepting something that has not been observed isn’t scientific either!

I’m still not convinced by the OP’s claim. The follow up post does not make things any clearer for me.

"Xhowrude;d-179250" wrote:
Territory Battles was a thing that I looked forward to since the release. A pve experience outside of raids to showcase your collection and earn guild event tokens. Before this year, my guild was averaging 38-40 stars which isnt too bad since we dont have whales, we have a few spenders but mostly FTP. With the Han solo characters, Kotor characters, and bounty hunter characters, the 2018 marquees have affected TB in such a negative way that I look forward to TW more then TB. Why does every platoon stage 3 and on have so many marquee requirements? Stage 5, our guild had 1,2,3,4 and 6 platoons locked to marquees. The new bounty hunter that just came out is locked to one, I know this was posted before and I read through the entire forum blog about it. But is the p2w advantage with mariquees really the direction that this is going? Peoples arguments are that they are free characters so get over it. Lol every time that a marquee gets added, TB gets adjusted because of platoons and an increase to guild power over time will not always guarentee 45ls stars and 48 ds stars. And dont even get me started on arena. I'm still salty that my 110k Sith team without traya requires me to pay attention and losing to a 4star bastilla lead makes me wanna vomit.

"Kyno;c-1625591" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-1625481" wrote:
@Kyno

I don’t think he’s clearly stating that at all. I think he means ship squadrons in the top zone, because he goes on to talk about Embo after mentioning this, and he also says from stage 3 onwards (which we both know isn’t right). I think there’s enough dubiety in the OP’s post to make it unclear. @Xhowrude could hopefully come on and clarify.

The only reason I’m arguing is that every time someone else mentions how unfair ship platoons have been of late, with many guilds unable to complete any at all because of Sith Fighter and Lando’s Falcon, you come on and say that it’s always been this way and that there are no guarantees on the content of any platoons from phase 4 onwards.

Lots of people have pointed out that the ship situation is particularly grating because the devs at least throw us a bone in ground platoons by always making 2/6 fillable, specifically platoons 3&4 in both zones. Sometimes we can fill more than that, but it’s always those 2 that are fillable at a minimum.

I won’t argue with your being able to fill 6/6 in bottom zone this time, because our guild had the same fortune. We could have filled 4/6 in middle, but we opted for 2/6 so that people could keep some empire toons for the special and the combat* - and as ever platoons 3&4 were rammed full of Empire toons so they were the ones we ditched.

I would ask one quick favour though, if you would indulge me...

Before your TB closes, please check your platoon 3&4 for phases 4-6 in middle and bottom. And come back and tell me if there’s a single toon in any of them that isn’t Empire?

That’ll finish this argument immediately!

Not being able to fill platoons in the current stated design of TB is fair. You want to complete content at a faster pace or at a lower GP, there is a way to do that. $$.

I think of this like every raid that has emerged, the first to do it are the guilds that can brute force it, they do the exact % they need. Everyone complains because its difficult to do that without $$. In the end raids end up being able to be done with a few or just 1 refined team that is crafted down to the exact needs to counter the raid.

TB can be brute forced with pure numbers, but that required a lot of GP or all platoons being filled. In the end though there will be the perfect set of toons that can 6/6 missions without any platoons due to being the perfect setup to counter the missions placed before us.

Things take time and once they setup the design to include those toons, there are 2 ways to deal, 1 complain when you cant fill them, or 2 expect you cant and be pleased when you can. I would choose 2. Especially since as you out it there is always 2 to be filled and therefore you can be happy about that.

"The_Noobish_Hipster;c-1627487" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1625591" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-1625481" wrote:
@Kyno

I don’t think he’s clearly stating that at all. I think he means ship squadrons in the top zone, because he goes on to talk about Embo after mentioning this, and he also says from stage 3 onwards (which we both know isn’t right). I think there’s enough dubiety in the OP’s post to make it unclear. @Xhowrude could hopefully come on and clarify.

The only reason I’m arguing is that every time someone else mentions how unfair ship platoons have been of late, with many guilds unable to complete any at all because of Sith Fighter and Lando’s Falcon, you come on and say that it’s always been this way and that there are no guarantees on the content of any platoons from phase 4 onwards.

Lots of people have pointed out that the ship situation is particularly grating because the devs at least throw us a bone in ground platoons by always making 2/6 fillable, specifically platoons 3&4 in both zones. Sometimes we can fill more than that, but it’s always those 2 that are fillable at a minimum.

I won’t argue with your being able to fill 6/6 in bottom zone this time, because our guild had the same fortune. We could have filled 4/6 in middle, but we opted for 2/6 so that people could keep some empire toons for the special and the combat* - and as ever platoons 3&4 were rammed full of Empire toons so they were the ones we ditched.

I would ask one quick favour though, if you would indulge me...

Before your TB closes, please check your platoon 3&4 for phases 4-6 in middle and bottom. And come back and tell me if there’s a single toon in any of them that isn’t Empire?

That’ll finish this argument immediately!

Not being able to fill platoons in the current stated design of TB is fair. You want to complete content at a faster pace or at a lower GP, there is a way to do that. $$.

I think of this like every raid that has emerged, the first to do it are the guilds that can brute force it, they do the exact % they need. Everyone complains because its difficult to do that without $$. In the end raids end up being able to be done with a few or just 1 refined team that is crafted down to the exact needs to counter the raid.

TB can be brute forced with pure numbers, but that required a lot of GP or all platoons being filled. In the end though there will be the perfect set of toons that can 6/6 missions without any platoons due to being the perfect setup to counter the missions placed before us.

Things take time and once they setup the design to include those toons, there are 2 ways to deal, 1 complain when you cant fill them, or 2 expect you cant and be pleased when you can. I would choose 2. Especially since as you out it there is always 2 to be filled and therefore you can be happy about that.

I don't think I can follow that argument - the raids are a fixed challenge that you can build towards overcoming. With the Platoons, the goal posts are moving quickly. Once you got the raid toons covered, the challenge gets easier. With TB, this isn't the case because one week, you can beat a combat mission because you happened to have the right toons available to fill the Platoons, and next time, the very same team gets wiped on wave 4.

"The_Noobish_Hipster;c-1627487" wrote:

With TB, this isn't the case because one week, you can beat a combat mission because you happened to have the right toons available to fill the Platoons, and next time, the very same team gets wiped on wave 4.