They have counters!

"danflorian1984;c-1058097" wrote:
This is not only meant to Chaze! although is the last one. The same thing happened with Wiggs when people siting in the first place that used them, surrounded only by users of Wiggs loves taking about Wiggs counters. The same thing with Zaul, even though triple cleanse was way more effective than any other meta. etc.

So what are you saying? it will blow over, just like rey, wiggs, maul?

Totally agree with op.
I think it should be very easy to understand: having a counter and being op are not in contrast. A toon can be op while having a counter.
Counters are bad design choices to other bad design choices
Obviously some toons are bound to be better than others, that doesn't mean they are automatically op. Rey has been great for a long time, never op. Same with palpatine. Other toons... not so much

Just going to c/p a comment I wrote yesterday.
It's about calling a team balanced when it can be beaten, which is a very weird view on game balance.

Argument: X team can be beaten so it's fine to leave it as it is. If a team can be beaten, then it's balanced.

Reality: X team can ONLY be beaten by very specific characters. Any team that doesn't include these characters can't be used in Arena. The whole game suffers from a lack of diversity.

Zaul could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team that relies on Assists/TM gain/Counter

Chaze could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team with no mass/regular dispell.

ZVader could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team with no cleanse.

Wiggs could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team without a pre-taunter.

Evasion teams could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any player that had poor RNG.

Poe teams could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team without Poe.

Barris/healing teams could be beaten but still pushed out of the meta any team without Sidious.

CAN BE BEATEN =/= BALANCED

If you think so, you have very poor knowledge in game design, game balance, and poor basic logic.

Ironically, since Baze and Chirrut are good at
- Inflicting debuffs and dispelling buffs on the enemy team
- Cleansing debuffs and giving buffs to your team

The only counter to Chaze is... Chaze.

"danflorian1984;d-109201" wrote:
Don't you just love this response:" they have counters" ?
It is a magical one, the answer to all possible complains about any toon, no matter how OP. Try it, it's fun!
For example: the toon is over used in the arena.
Yeah but he has counters!
or
They have half of the abilities on the game in just 2 toons. Yeah but they have counters!

It works for anything!, 3 little words have just made everything you posted invalid :)

Gosh, another of these.

@BentWookiee please close this, before the troll dies of overeating.

"danflorian1984;c-1058074" wrote:
Also lets compare B2 and Baze, OP toon and hos counter, since theybare both tanks.
Baze: pretaunt and autotaunt, retribution, dispel, expose + great sinergy and anti faction abilities.
B2: dispel, sometimes buff imunity.
But B2 existing is reason enough that Baze should stay as he is.

If that's all you think B2 does, you don't understand B2. He dispells faster than a triple cleanse team cleanses. He doesn't need speed so you can load him with accuracy and he has anti evasion on basic. He's perfect against zaul, triple cleanse Rex, and double foresight Jedi teams. What more do you want from the little guy in this meta?

"Jimbob;c-1058133" wrote:

"danflorian1984;c-1058074" wrote:
Also lets compare B2 and Baze, OP toon and hos counter, since theybare both tanks.
Baze: pretaunt and autotaunt, retribution, dispel, expose + great sinergy and anti faction abilities.
B2: dispel, sometimes buff imunity.
But B2 existing is reason enough that Baze should stay as he is.

If that's all you think B2 does, you don't understand B2. He dispells faster than a triple cleanse team cleanses. He doesn't need speed so you can load him with accuracy and he has anti evasion on basic. He's perfect against zaul, triple cleanse Rex, and double foresight Jedi teams. What more do you want from the little guy in this meta?

B2's unique allows him to buff wipe all the time.

I know what B2 does since I use him. I also know what a liability he is regarding everything else beside dispeling. And that while the toons that he is countering have enough abilities for a couple more toons.

"danflorian1984;c-1058143" wrote:
I know what B2 does since I use him. I also know what a liability he is regarding everything else beside dispeling. And that while the toons that he is countering have enough abilities for a couple more toons.

have you heard of Boba, Sun Fac, Nihilus, or Jyn/Cassian?

"Waez;c-1058113" wrote:

The only counter to Chaze is... Chaze.

I'dont think so!

An good moddet zKrooper Duo has good cards to deal with Chase in an 2 vs 2 Match because of the bad KI the anti-rebel-synergies and Krennics Leadskill. :wink:

After Chirut first Turm, DT debuffs and inflicts Healing immunity, then DK uses his AOE calling DT to assist inflicting Daze and Stun on Chirrut. Next Baze maybe is doing minor Damage before Chirrut loses his stun. He is then abbillity blocked or stunned (or both) again by DT. Krennic will inflict buffblock on Baze and from this point on it's game Over for the Rebels

The main problem ... its all theory, there are no 2 vs 2 Matches and RNG sucks. ^^

"UltimateSeaDog;c-1058145" wrote:

"danflorian1984;c-1058143" wrote:
I know what B2 does since I use him. I also know what a liability he is regarding everything else beside dispeling. And that while the toons that he is countering have enough abilities for a couple more toons.

have you heard of Boba, Sun Fac, Nihilus, or Jyn/Cassian?

The names do sound familiar. What about them?