Can someone with 2 million GP out skill their way to kyber? If so, how? If they can't, why? Because skill is dependent on GP? So it's not skill based then. (Last edit) a lot of people with larger rosters don't understand the biggest issue as to why ignoring GP is wrong. Think of it this way, 1 million GP vs 2 million GP (this happens now) that person has TWICE the size of their roster, yet they're matched up. People with 7 million GP versing 8 or 9 still manage because it's not the same ratio, you'd have to verse 14 MILLION GP to experience the same affect. This is why it's not based in skill, this system disproportionately affects ALL new players.

Yeah you read that correctly. Why does CG think this is good for the community? No clue. It's definitely a community killer. They have 3 galactic legends and 1.2 million more GP than me. How is this a fair and balanced game? I'm utterly lost as to why this was implemented. This isn't "skill based matchmaking" if you can't "out skill" your way to the top. The old GAC was skill based. That's why you'll see people with 3 million GP with kyber tags, because they beat equal opponents and proved their skill.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2333178" wrote:Have you checked their GAC history? Good chance they don’t bother engaging with the game mode if they’ve fallen this far after 15 battles. Regardless I don't think I should ever match up with this. Regardless of how active they are, it's entirely imbalanced and unfair

"DarjeloSalas;c-2333194" wrote:Great. Now that you’ve edited the claim of 2M more and 1.5M more my first bullet point is going to look silly. It's not your post that looks silly.

"Comfortless;c-2333201" wrote:"TVF;c-2333199" wrote:It's ok to lose sometimes. "It's okay to understand the system is broken"One bad matchup does not a broken system equal.

"Comfortless;c-2333219" wrote:"kello_511;c-2333216" wrote:It remains to be seen but in theory this should result in better matchups over time. This is still the initial phase. You are climbing the ladder and your opponent is descending it, you both just happen to be on the same rung today. Over time it should improve. Show me that thoery. Show me how it will "improve over time" "in theory". Explain how that "theory" holds up in an argument when comparing how someone manages their GP. What skill are we determining then? Can someone with less GP beat someone with more GP and better characters? Is that true skill? Does that assume balance? There's no logic that defines these match ups as "skill related". The skill is comparing someone who has poor attendance, not bad strategy. I have regularly beaten players with more GLs and relic levels than me. Players that actually set defence and fully attacked. Skill matters.The only instance where this system is not working is the type that you have encountered. An inactive player loses skill points then becomes active again and are overpowering. That is far from the norm. This system is great for the majority of active players. I did encounter it last GAC. A 6 GL player was in my pool with mostly players with 3 GLs. I had 2. I got matched with them. If I had played that round better I would actually have won it. My skill wasn't quite up to the task and I made a couple of mistakes.As you say, these inactive falling players throw a spanner in the works. Freezing their skill points would stop that happening but it also might stop players from being able to move up leagues due to the population limits. Players would have to be excluded entirely from the GAC formula which would probably mean being excluded from all crystals too. Not sure that's a great idea.I think this system is way better than the old GP based system. Miles better. We get to show how well we can use our own rosters.

This new GAC isn't skill based matchmaking. Change my mind

GifafiTho
3 years ago
I haven’t dropped out of kyber (yet) so clearly the system is working fine. I mean, that is the barometer, right?
Ima_Smakya
3 years ago
Alas, my mind changing skills have not yet reached kyber level so I will be unable to change your mind ?‍♂️
thecarterologis
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333312" wrote:
"thecarterologist958;c-2333309" wrote:
"Comfortless;c-2333304" wrote:
"Winterwolves;c-2333301" wrote:
Strategy is part of the skill.

Yes but tell me how anyone in this game can be kyber through just skill alone.

Good roster is skill,
According to you at least.
Playing well helps too.

"Comfortless;c-2333210" wrote:

Exactly though that's a fair match up, they actually organized their roster through skill and and determination whereas the other person made mindless choices. It's a much fairer comparison.

Good roster is skill? So people in kyber have good rosters vs someone who has a smaller roster in chromium? So chromium has less skill because their roster is smaller? Doesn't sound like skill to me.

Hey, they were your words.
So are Kyber rosters worse
Than Chromium ones?
thecarterologis
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333317" wrote:
It's weird how we redefine skill to match CGs money making interest. This new system benefits people who whale, not people who are skilled. Lmao, so simple. The old GAC system with the new GAC rewards, that's something that's actually skill based. Tell me again how someone with less GP is less "skilled". You're triggered because you're wrong

We're triggered, you made
50 comments in two days
For the fun of it :D
thecarterologis
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333320" wrote:
"thecarterologist958;c-2333318" wrote:
"Comfortless;c-2333312" wrote:
"thecarterologist958;c-2333309" wrote:
"Comfortless;c-2333304" wrote:
"Winterwolves;c-2333301" wrote:
Strategy is part of the skill.

Yes but tell me how anyone in this game can be kyber through just skill alone.

Good roster is skill,
According to you at least.
Playing well helps too.

"Comfortless;c-2333210" wrote:

Exactly though that's a fair match up, they actually organized their roster through skill and and determination whereas the other person made mindless choices. It's a much fairer comparison.

Good roster is skill? So people in kyber have good rosters vs someone who has a smaller roster in chromium? So chromium has less skill because their roster is smaller? Doesn't sound like skill to me.

Hey, they were your words.
So are Kyber rosters worse
Than Chromium ones?

No no please quote where I said that go ahead

"Comfortless;c-2333312" wrote:
So people in kyber have good rosters vs someone who has a smaller roster in chromium?

You asked the question,
I figured you disagreed
Else why would you ask?
winterwolves
New Scout
3 years ago
You are so hung up on the word skill.

They could have called them bantha points. It doesn't matter. You win, you get awarded bantha points. You lose, they take away bantha points.

You get matched with people of equal bantha points to you. It's a bantha based system.

If someone came along who actually had a real bantha it makes no difference to how this competition works.

The developers had to call the system something. They called it bantha. Developing your roster further will rightfully get you more bantha points. Being better at using your roster will also get you more bantha points. And get you better rewards.

Bantha.
perfidius44
Rising Newcomer
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333324" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2333319" wrote:
"Comfortless;c-2333277" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2333276" wrote:
I haven’t dropped out of kyber (yet) so clearly the system is working fine. I mean, that is the barometer, right?

What's your GP? Do you have any GLs? Are you trying to say anyone can get into kyber if they're skilled enough or are you just privileged enough to have a large enough roster to be in kyber?

8m. All GL’s. I am not saying any of that. But I am confused. You seem upset that someone with, for example, just a ep vader team and an Ewoks team can’t skill their way up to end game? Maybe end game isn’t for them.

Skill based matchmaking is where 200 people with 1 million GP rosters verse and the person with the best roster and most skilled is 1st.

That’s a very specific definition of Skill based mm. In your scenario, maybe the most skilled in not at 1st; he/she just doesn’t have the best roster.
Calgacus66
Rising Novice
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333332" wrote:
"TVF;c-2333330" wrote:
Wait who is bitter? The people that are ok with the new system but not the person who made two threads and fifty posts to complain about it. What is happening?

Probably the person going out of their way to not make any useful arguments but rather incite negative comments towards me and my stance.

I agree that negative comments towards you are unhelpful - ad hominem never wins any hearts or minds. However negative comments towards your stance are exactly what’s needed because it’s based on a fundamental misconception.

You and pretty much all the variations on ‘skill based matchmaking is so unfair’ posters are tilting at windmills. There isn’t any matchmaking. Not since the initial seeding (by GP) in season 1. Now it’s in your own hands to try and fight your way up the ladder and who you meet on the way is determined entirely by the actions of those players. There’s no hidden hand manipulating it. Yes, the scoring system itself is a bit oblique but that doesn’t change the fact that our destiny, GAC-wise, is in our hands. I did ok this last round so I climbed to rank 13 in my league. That means I’m fighting ranks 9 - 16 in the ladder. Most have pretty ripped rosters and it’s going to be an ordeal. I only have myself to blame - but what’s the alternative other than to enjoy the fight.

After all, life is just a headlong dash towards an irrational death. It’s ok to try and take the edge off the existential angst by finding meaning in tiny acts of mobile violence - but don’t look for too much meaning. That’s never healthy.
Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
I started in Aurodium 4 at the beginning of GAC changes, now I’m in Kyber 3. I guess I paid people to lose to me so I could climb ??‍♂️
Persimius
New Scout
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333526" wrote:
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2333524" wrote:
I started in Aurodium 4 at the beginning of GAC changes, now I’m in Kyber 3. I guess I paid people to lose to me so I could climb ??‍♂️

What's your GP? GLs? Anecdotes are useless if ANYONE cannot achieve what you achieve. Skill based matchmaking assumes there's an equal playing field for everyone

You are still missing the point. What good would it do you to be in Kyber and be matched against a 10M account?