Can someone with 2 million GP out skill their way to kyber? If so, how? If they can't, why? Because skill is dependent on GP? So it's not skill based then. (Last edit) a lot of people with larger rosters don't understand the biggest issue as to why ignoring GP is wrong. Think of it this way, 1 million GP vs 2 million GP (this happens now) that person has TWICE the size of their roster, yet they're matched up. People with 7 million GP versing 8 or 9 still manage because it's not the same ratio, you'd have to verse 14 MILLION GP to experience the same affect. This is why it's not based in skill, this system disproportionately affects ALL new players.

Yeah you read that correctly. Why does CG think this is good for the community? No clue. It's definitely a community killer. They have 3 galactic legends and 1.2 million more GP than me. How is this a fair and balanced game? I'm utterly lost as to why this was implemented. This isn't "skill based matchmaking" if you can't "out skill" your way to the top. The old GAC was skill based. That's why you'll see people with 3 million GP with kyber tags, because they beat equal opponents and proved their skill.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2333178" wrote:Have you checked their GAC history? Good chance they don’t bother engaging with the game mode if they’ve fallen this far after 15 battles. Regardless I don't think I should ever match up with this. Regardless of how active they are, it's entirely imbalanced and unfair

"DarjeloSalas;c-2333194" wrote:Great. Now that you’ve edited the claim of 2M more and 1.5M more my first bullet point is going to look silly. It's not your post that looks silly.

"Comfortless;c-2333201" wrote:"TVF;c-2333199" wrote:It's ok to lose sometimes. "It's okay to understand the system is broken"One bad matchup does not a broken system equal.

"Comfortless;c-2333219" wrote:"kello_511;c-2333216" wrote:It remains to be seen but in theory this should result in better matchups over time. This is still the initial phase. You are climbing the ladder and your opponent is descending it, you both just happen to be on the same rung today. Over time it should improve. Show me that thoery. Show me how it will "improve over time" "in theory". Explain how that "theory" holds up in an argument when comparing how someone manages their GP. What skill are we determining then? Can someone with less GP beat someone with more GP and better characters? Is that true skill? Does that assume balance? There's no logic that defines these match ups as "skill related". The skill is comparing someone who has poor attendance, not bad strategy. I have regularly beaten players with more GLs and relic levels than me. Players that actually set defence and fully attacked. Skill matters.The only instance where this system is not working is the type that you have encountered. An inactive player loses skill points then becomes active again and are overpowering. That is far from the norm. This system is great for the majority of active players. I did encounter it last GAC. A 6 GL player was in my pool with mostly players with 3 GLs. I had 2. I got matched with them. If I had played that round better I would actually have won it. My skill wasn't quite up to the task and I made a couple of mistakes.As you say, these inactive falling players throw a spanner in the works. Freezing their skill points would stop that happening but it also might stop players from being able to move up leagues due to the population limits. Players would have to be excluded entirely from the GAC formula which would probably mean being excluded from all crystals too. Not sure that's a great idea.I think this system is way better than the old GP based system. Miles better. We get to show how well we can use our own rosters.

This new GAC isn't skill based matchmaking. Change my mind

comfortlessOG
3 years ago
"StarSon;c-2333534" wrote:
"Comfortless;c-2333526" wrote:
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2333524" wrote:
I started in Aurodium 4 at the beginning of GAC changes, now I’m in Kyber 3. I guess I paid people to lose to me so I could climb ??‍♂️

What's your GP? GLs? Anecdotes are useless if ANYONE cannot achieve what you achieve. Skill based matchmaking assumes there's an equal playing field for everyone

You are still missing the point. What good would it do you to be in Kyber and be matched against a 10M account?

No good? That's MY point. The old system had divisions for GP, where your skill could be demonstrated by out playing members of your division until you hit kyber. You hit kyber through skill, and as you progress your GP through divisions it gets more competitive and more experienced. But now you dampen our ability to compare our skill rating when by comparing rosters of difference experienced -GP
Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333529" wrote:

Exactly, you have the privilege of a large roster, does that automatically grant you skill? No.
The previous GAC was balanced as it compared two rosters with similar or equal GP. Now we're comparing numbers, not skill

Seeing as how I’m the second smallest in terms of GP in my current GAC bracket, I fail to see your point. My current opponent has 1m GP more than I do.

The old GAC system was garbage, and not worth the effort spent
GifafiTho
3 years ago
Does op think it would be unfair that a 5th grader who is, for the sake of argument, the most skilled football player in the world, can’t be the nfl mvp?
Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
"Gifafi;c-2333568" wrote:
Does op think it would be unfair that a 5th grader who is, for the sake of argument, the most skilled football player in the world, can’t be the nfl mvp?

More than likely.
comfortlessOG
3 years ago
"shep294;c-2333744" wrote:
skill to the point that a focused roster can beat someone who is just picking random toons they like and upgrading them. at a certain gp difference it will be blunt force so skill will only take you so far. at 1.7mil gp im in bronze 3 (highest was bronze 2) but my roster has some focus (not hardcore slkr rush but fairly focused) with solid modding since i know what im doing. so far my win % against people with my gp is very good, even beat 1 or 2 with 1mil more but thats about the extent of it for me. more skill than before yes, totally skill based, def not

Think of it this way, a lot of people with 7 million GP think it's easier to beat someone with 8 million GP, why do you think that is? Because even though there's a million difference, it's not the same proportion as someone with 1 million GP versing someone with 2 million GP. For people with 7 million GP you'd have to verse someone with 14 million GP to experience the same effect. That's why the lower half of the community is so insanely disproportionately affected by the GP differences here whereas larger rosters can manage this. Everyone here has obvious cognitive dissonance around this issue. Newer players suffer greatly because of this ratio, it isn't until you hit 6 million GP where the ratio begins to equalize, but until then that's why no one with 2 million GP will hit kyber ever.
ChristophIV
Hero+
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2334511" wrote:
"DarjeloSalas;c-2334492" wrote:
Just make sure you’re relaxed when you learn it. Dude.

Have you ever heard the concept of outliers? It's when you look at data and there's a handful of numbers outside the generality of the core data. That's what your tagging me in. Compare those to nearly every TW to have ever taken place and plot it on a graph, mismatches do happen, but those examples will be outliers compared to most core match up data. You seem mad that I'm telling you how the match up system is suppose to work, yes it could fail- it is just an algorithm and it does have limited choices, so you will get that, it's not shocking, but that's how the algorithm works. I never said it was perfect, but it's far more balanced than GAC. instead of GAC having occasional or maybe even frequent outliers, it's nearly every single match up. That's how it feels for lower level players, I'm glad you share the same frustration, but what shocks me is that you have somehow justified it when it comes to GAC, but not when it comes to TW.

You are picking the wrong forumer to get into a maths/stats debate with.
ChristophIV
Hero+
3 years ago
Bit bored of this now. I'll leave some tips for sounding smart before I go.
1) You've gotta nail those apostrophes.
2) 5% success rate on "your" vs "you're" isn't great.
3) "I can't get more right". My goodness.
Ima_Smakya
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2334612" wrote:
"UdalCuain;c-2334609" wrote:
Bit bored of this now. I'll leave some tips for sounding smart before I go.
1) You've gotta nail those apostrophes.
2) 5% success rate on "your" vs "you're" isn't great.
3) "I can't get more right". My goodness.

Sounds like your struggling to argue the developers quotes in front of me
So you resort to ad hominem. How smart of you

You did it again.
tward930
New Spectator
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2334644" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2334632" wrote:
"Comfortless;c-2334616" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2334615" wrote:
"Comfortless;c-2334612" wrote:
"UdalCuain;c-2334609" wrote:
Bit bored of this now. I'll leave some tips for sounding smart before I go.
1) You've gotta nail those apostrophes.
2) 5% success rate on "your" vs "you're" isn't great.
3) "I can't get more right". My goodness.

Sounds like your struggling to argue the developers quotes in front of me
So you resort to ad hominem. How smart of you

You did it again.

Oh no grammar! I must argue grammar because I didn't win the argument!

I was never arguing one way or the other so I’m not sure what argument I was trying to win. Both the new system and the old had/have issues and I said earlier that there is likely no way for them to devise a system that is going to be acceptable or fair to everyone. I definitely had more “unfair” matchups in the previous system and they were usually in my favour and in the new system I seem to be doing just fine with more even matchups that are far more interesting.

In the long run, far more people are getting more rewards in the new system than the old and to most I would guess that is far more important to them. If placing on some artificially created leaderboard is more important to you, then sorry, but this change is not going to give you that.

Given that people have been complaining about matchmaking since the day GAC started, I am happy to check back in a couple of years when they look into it again to see if they take your advice into account. But take some friendly advice, this is not the hill to die on.

I've never been completely against the new system and completely for the old system, but I am pointing out the up and downsides for both of them and seeking to combined both. That's the change I'm seeking, the only reason I argued so aggressively was because of how little people were listening to me and how many people were genuinely making fun of me, one of those members are now banned. Change never happens if no one pushes for it, so in the end if a dev sees this and understands my points- hopefully they're able to make change. Thanks for being genuine as not a lot of people have been to me here, but history shows that people who ask for change are usually met with great opposition and in many of those circumstances change could prevail. Maybe I'm a new hope, or maybe in the Empire striking back, either way I love star wars.

This specific post and this while thread is tldr. However your first sentence was quite interesting. Upsides and downsides. Hills and stairs both have upsides and downsides depending on the direction you are facing. I like hills, stairs not so much feels like I am working out.

Also why have title a thread with the "change my mind" if you aren't really ready to have your mind changed. Do you like to type?
thecarterologis
3 years ago
"Comfortless;c-2333532" wrote:
"thecarterologist958;c-2333356" wrote:
Talent equals skill,
Talent doesn't change, only
Experience does?

That's the point. Experience verses Experience, that would be the old GAC where you end up versing opponents of equal experience, now it matched you up with people that have an absurd advantage, limiting how much skill you can truly maximize.

"Comfortless;c-2333302" wrote:

If it was skill based anyone could get to kyber, but they can't achieve kyber status without having a large roster, that's not skill, that's experience.

"Comfortless;c-2333532" wrote:

No, because GP growth is regulated and can't be learned. Anyone could upgrade abilities and characters, that isn't skill, that's experience. Look up what talent is, it's a synonymous to skill.

"Comfortless;c-2333532" wrote:
This isn't "skill based matchmaking" if you can't "out skill" your way to the top. The old GAC was skill based. That's why you'll see people with 3 million GP with kyber tags, because they beat equal opponents and proved their skill.

:D